I was asked to do this post. So here it is.
The image below was originally just thrown up over at my TwitPic account; and can still be seen there.
Which was accompanied by the following text:
"MJDHI members wake up! ... Front posts "Front has stated many times" ... Surely Front would post "I have stated many times" ... When are the MJDHI members going to wake from the mind games; or is the truth not important enough that they will continue the masquerade because they foolishly believe in the BS???"
Then someone on Twitter sent me a direct message asking if I would put it up on the blog as a lot of MJDHI members seem to go there. So here it is.
I will, while I put it up, expand on my comment that accompanied the image which is a screenshot for the 'official' Back & Front thread over at MJDHI. The screenshot, was grabbed from the forum and, can be seen by anyone that goes there. If you enlarge the screenshot (by clicking it) the problem becomes clear.
In a post, that was posted allegedly by Front, it clearly states: "Front has stated many times". Why would Front ever refer to himself in the third person? Surely the correct method to reiterate that a person, themselves, has said something before would be "I have stated many times"?
Now I know the MJDHI members who read this are going to disagree; and suggest that Front merely put it to emphasise that it was something they have said before. But that doesn't work unless Front thinks that the MJDHI members are stupid and cannot realise that when Front uses the term "I" they are obviously referring to themselves. Hey, if you want to argue that Front spoke in the third person for a reason you need to back it up with some form of rational argument.
But that is not the biggest issue. After posting the original image I wondered about something else.
With Front obviously being someone else on the forum (you can work that bit out for yourselves by asking the Admin) then the validation of Front from TS is actually invalid; and ultimately worthless.
Because if Front is not who they say they are, which is pretty clear, then TS validates a fraud - making TS a fraud; or at the very least wrong about Front.
Now, the MJDHI members who read this are going to start with the "Why do you care? If you don't believe it then don't read it" argument. And to be honest I couldn't give a flying fuck who people think TS, Front, or back are. And I would not have done this post if not requested by a friend.
And why did the friend request it? Because they feel that some of the younger members of the forum might actually be buying into this bullshit; which since Fuhrer Souza found religion is turning into some sort of fucking Charles Manson wannabe cult.
Me personally, I just think that all the members should just keep their eyes open; and decide for themselves. If you want to buy into the bullshit then so be it.
So this post is dedicated to friendship; but at the same time as the Kottonmouth Kings say: "Think 4 Yourself".
44 comments:
TS does the same thing. To say "I said," isn't really accurate when you're referring to lines in a production. More correctly it's; "my character said,"
LMAO! How lame! Front ALWAYS posts in third person. That's just his style, his way of posting. This is nothing new! Looks like you haters are running out of material. hahahaha!!!
But if you want to get technical, Front HAS made some posts where he says 'I' in first person, he has done it both ways, so this was just a waste of blog space really.
Front is quirky. That's how he posts and always has as far as I can see.
You are making mountains out of molehills.
Are you bored?
By the way, this Front post just goes to show that it's not a cult at all and people think for themselves. He is saying to have faith in Michael and it doesn't matter if you're into the whole religion thing or not. He clearly states that in his posts.
So thanks for posting this screenshot!
bec said: "TS does the same thing. To say "I said," isn't really accurate when you're referring to lines in a production. More correctly it's; "my character said,""
Bec, you realize that the argument you propose kind of invalidates itself?
To say "I said," isn't really accurate when you're referring to lines in a production.
Production? So we are to say that TS is merely a character in a production? Which would suggest that Michael Jackson merely faked his death as some big game.
And the 'My character said' piece really made me laugh. Character? So TS is merely a character?
But the best bit was: "TS does the same thing." So in a post on about how Front posted the only rationale is that TS does the same thing?
You can't make this shit up - too funny.
Anonymous said: "LMAO! How lame! Front ALWAYS posts in third person. That's just his style, his way of posting. This is nothing new! Looks like you haters are running out of material."
Love how you think that Front is male. Obviously you didn't ask the forum admin; or if you did they lied to you.
And if you want to discuss styles. If it is merely a style who is to say that anything in the posts from Front is not merely a style too?
I love how the defense of Front is proving, in their arguments, that Front is not even honest. We have Bec saying it is a character; and now an anonymous person saying it is just a style. Got to love it.
Anonymous said: "By the way, this Front post just goes to show that it's not a cult at all and people think for themselves. He is saying to have faith in Michael"
And that would be, and I'm slightly guessing here, one of the idols that is mentioned; something to do with idolatry? So putting faith in Michael actually makes you, if you are a Christian, a sinner. Time for confession.
As an atheist I kind of winged it on the whole Bible and idolatry bit.
"For they served idols, whereof the LORD had said unto them, Ye shall not do this thing." (KJV 2Kings 17:12)
I see that the buffoonery has started. It was only a matter of time before the person who asked Doggy to start this blog came up with another ridiculous attempt to invalidate Front.
As usual, some little detail is taken, twisted and then magnified out of all proportion to look like something sinister. And to then use the rationalization that this is done out of “concern” for the younger members of MJHDI, really takes the biscuit.
Faith=Truth in the Bible, not belief in God. To have Faith in something does not equate worship, so no, this would not be considered idolatry.
I've never seen anybody on the internet talking about themselves in the third person. Just TS and now Front. The excuses why this is not strange are really funny - a character in a production? LOL! But that's not far from the truth actually, it's just not Michael playing this game. It is something like an ARG, the people behind it have nothing to do with Michael at all though.
The way admin runs the forum, if TS or Front were fake, they would have been banned a long time ago, just like all the fakes and troublemakers in the past.
Thanks for posting this post from Front. I think it was very nice of you and your friend! :) It shows that he's saying we only need faith in Michael and it refutes the entire cult thing. See? It's all for L.O.V.E.
Funny how this blog's intention was to corrupt the Army of L.O.V.E. but instead it's actually made it stronger. Gotta love the irony!
Front is bec lmao
bec said: "Faith=Truth in the Bible, not belief in God. To have Faith in something does not equate worship, so no, this would not be considered idolatry."
Now the dictionary defines it as:
"Noun:
(1) Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
(2)Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."
Now the 2nd one says "belief in God". But hey if you want to re-write the Oxford English Dictionary to fit an idea by all means go ahead.
Anonymous said: "The way admin runs the forum, if TS or Front were fake, they would have been banned a long time ago, just like all the fakes and troublemakers in the past."
Obviously just commenting on the one post instead of checking any facts. I have kind of covered this before on many occasions - but here are the highlights:
Souza agreed to do something for The Sun newspaper, the very trash newspaper that coined the phrase "W***o J***o" purely to drive traffic to the forum. I mean promote the forum by all means but not with trash like The Sun.
TS and the TIAI redirects all direct to the forum. Even when the forum was down the redirect when to the substitute forum.
So no Souza would not give a shit that TS, Front, and Back are fake as long as they draw traffic to the forum; plus it would be hard to ban them when SHE does so much for them - including writing posts.
Just some words here:
As I view the forum I see that nobody has asked Souza to validate TS, Front, or Back. And not the bullshit question where Souza answers "its a long story". Seriously if it is a long story why not let people know? Surely this amazing story would somehow validate TS, Front, and Back.
Actualy as the MJDHI members are all a family and Army of LOVE why not ask Mo? Mo knows everything about TS. But she is not on the forum now and Souza already did the "Mo is a troublemaker" routine so that whatever Mo says will be classed as lies.
If the whole of MJDHI wants to believe that TS, Front, or Back know anything. All well and good; but when it all falls flat just don't whine that nobody pointed out things to you.
I mean if Jermaine says airport by mistake it is a clue and should be looked at. If TS makes a post with Dutch advertising on it it is to be accepted that Souza helped? No investigation required.
Well, good luck with TS, Front, or Back ever leading you to anything is all I can say while I laugh.
Here is why you're wrong.
You also said in a previous blog entry that some members on the forum are one and the same and they are not. I happen to know this for a fact because two of the ladies you mentioned are my friends in real life, and we were friends way before 2009 and before the forum even got started. They are in fact two different people. So, you're wrong again. It's a shame how all you do is try to cause trouble, it's very immature. Try starting a worthwhile topic instead of just full of lies and bashing.
anonymous with the 'buffoonery' comment, yep you said it all. well done!
back, Front, TS, GOOOOOOO Team MJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :))))))
Army of L.O.V.E. will be there for you, yes we will!!!!!!
This blog IS funny though! I don't know how you come up with this stuff Doggy. LMAO
TS: "the world will not end on 12-21-2012; but it will end shortly after 2012!(nobody living on earth now is going to grow old, unless you’re nearly there already). If you chose to go against the true ark—or even if you take a position of neutral indifference—then you are on Lucifer’s side of Armageddon "
Front: "Front has stated many times --- if you're not a religious person, it matters not…. Do not let the religious beliefs/interpretations of others "derail your hoax train".
You're right, Front. TS with all his religious beliefs and BS interpretations derail the hoax train. I would still like to know how you proved TS/& Souza you are MJ. On webcam? We have a lot of good impersonators. With legal papers? How can you expose something as serious as this on the Internet to a person who went to Sun with some ridiculous theories without any evidence. How would a person like her react if she had a real proof, just imagine...So, I'm sure you woudn't expose yourself to her on the Internet if you were MJ, right?
What I am trying to say is I don't believe anyone can validate the real MJ simply because he wouldn't expose himself to anyone, believer or not. If you think he woud show himself to some anonymus person while his legal status is "dead" with false papers and man convicted as a result of his false death, then you must really be very young. But I think even children are able to understand the seriousness of a situation like that. I understand your dreams, your thoughts, the fact that you feel special for giving your time and dedication and that this deserves a reward from Michael (like him posting on a forum messages just for you). Just remember not to get angry on Michael when you wake up because all these messages are not validated by anyone from his family, he never promised you anything and Jermaine told you long time ago to move on...This could be a clue, not for death, but for moving on...
Anonymous said: "Here is why you're wrong. You also said in a previous blog entry that some members on the forum are one and the same and they are not."
Here is why I am right. You mentioned this before when SOMEONE ELSE made a comment on this blog about someone being someone else. It wasn't me. But I remember answering the same before and you didn't listen then.
I don't think Doggie meant all forum members are one and the same. Also, I remember very well Souza herself admited she had multiple accounts impresonating MJ in chat. And I know it is true. And all the SUN bs she did to Michael and his family. You slaves are MJ haters, only you can take her side after everything she did.
Stop right there!
So sometimes the character Front himself/herself posts, and sometimes posts the one who's BEHIND the character Front making reference to the character Front in the post?!
My question to @bec is: WHY would he/she introduce himself/herself in the "production"?!
LMAO!
@bec FAITH IN GOD = BELIEF IN GOD
You answer wrong to wrong questions, and I thought for a while that you have a clear mind...
Front said to those who don't believe in anything to have faith in Michael. So since when a "idolatry" is wrong to an atheist?!
The fear of "committing" idolatry belongs to those who believe, not to atheists LOL
'The way admin runs the forum, if TS or Front were fake, they would have been banned a long time ago, just like all the fakes and troublemakers in the past.'
NOT if those who run the forum and the fakes are in the same team. THINK TWICE!
'Thanks for posting this post from Front. I think it was very nice of you and your friend! :) It shows that he's saying we only need faith in Michael and it refutes the entire cult thing. See? It's all for L.O.V.E."'
You don't get this either. Their cult is built on MJ. Or should I write in their terms: Archangel Michael.
Read very carefully on that forum and SEE where their ideas are heading.
Anonymous said: "So since when a "idolatry" is wrong to an atheist?! The fear of "committing" idolatry belongs to those who believe, not to atheists LOL"
This is true. I just used it as a point. Me, personally, I don't care if these people wish to bow down to a golden statue of the Angry Birds.
Me, I bow down to a different trinity - Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Linus Torvalds ... LOL. Everyone else can decide which is the father, son, and the holy ghost out of those three ;)
We live in dark times. And therefore it is natural to search for light. I think that those who do not believe in God, find it easier to look towards a person who emulates noble and divine attributes. It is also apparent, that a true person of "light" will be humble and won't allow people to worship him/her, but simply point them to the light within themselves.
I personally think 'Front' just talks about him/herself in the third person in order to create an air of mystery around his/her 'persona'...
Anonymous 10:07 PM said:
"NOT if those who run the forum and the fakes are in the same team. THINK TWICE!"
Exactly. That's the only reason why TS and Front have not been banned and why other people who play insiders get banned right away. It's not because Souza is so concerned about people getting fooled by fakes, they just don't want competition.
Anonymous 10:31 AM
What you said is so ridiculously outrageous, I can't stop laughing. ROFL
Eph 4:4 - One Lord one faith .. says it all really. TS is all about pushing his Seventh Day Adventist BS down their throats and taking the faith from God to MJ.
LMAO @ TS being a Seven Day Adventist. Although a quick Google of that religion gave the result:
http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/articles-555waco.htm
Which states: "The Seventh Day Adventist Church or SDA for short believe in numerology. In fact, their own numerology states that the Catholic Pope is the antichrist in part by using numerology. Sadly however, THE SDA's OWN NUMEROLOGY PROVES THAT THEIR "Prophetess" is an antichrist! In fact one of the numbers added to the total sum of 666 is of course 555."
Too fucking funny. The SDA prophetess is the Antichrist. So, hypothetically speaking, TS is leading all the 'god fearing' Christians to their doom.
You have to love Google.
this is all souza...
I mean suddenly ts,front,back come straight out of no where right? bs!!. they are one and the same person.....
I am so glad I never came back to forum.
its just filled with games
LOL! Now they believe this is Michael:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfnhq447AZ0
He must have gotten totally tone-deaf and obviously also has lost every sense for intonation, lol. Poor Michael, saying that's him is an insult, my ears are bleeding. Just as insulting as the GarageBand crap from Front. It's so easy to fool tone-deaf people, and there are a lot of those on that forum.
Anonymous said: "LOL! Now they believe this is Michael: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfnhq447AZ0"
Michael who??? Because it certainly isn't Michael Jackson. Cannot believe that people believe this shit is from the same guy that gave them track after track of quality lyrics, and music.
They'll believe anything.
TS, Front and Back could all be Souza but is she really that intelligent enough to be all three?? Especially the TS stuff with all the numerology?
I honestly don't think she could pull all of this stuff off at least not by herself.
Admin said:"They'll believe anything."
Yes, they believe anything and everything. As long as it is posted on their forum. With everything else it's "don't believe everything you read" - which in their minds is changed to "don't believe anything you read, unless it's posted on this very forum, if it's on this forum, it's always the truth" (interesting in the light of your most recent blog with the real forum information).
In the comments of the video people are explaining that this is not Michael and where this is coming from, but they either didn't read it or just don't care.
Many of them are totally convinced now that Whitney also hoaxed her death, after SimPattyK posted about the connections she sees almost 24/7, starting when the news about Whitney's death broke. She also said that she also believes that James Brown faked his death and is with Michael now. In her mind every celebrity that ever died just faked his or her death, including, of course, Elvis. I really don't know how people can take her seriously, but at least she makes me laugh.
Quote: "TS, Front and Back could all be Souza but is she really that intelligent enough to be all three?? Especially the TS stuff with all the numerology?"
The so called numerology is not rocket science. Every first grader can add, subtract, multiply, and divide numbers from 0 to 9. And then just post those that add up to 7 somehow (or 9 or whatever number they want) and discard the rest. Or make them fit by randomly adding and subtracting numbers, not following any formula.
Impressing people with the so called numerology only works because a lot of people, at least on the forum, are totally scared of numbers and even say all the time that they are not good with them. Simple math like adding small numbers goes right over their heads.
But I also don't think Souza does it all by herself, not because of the numerology, but because it would be a lot of work and because I believe that probably Tim Simkin is working with her, and has been from the beginning. Maybe there are a few more people on her team.
Oh, and P.S. - no, I don't believe that Souza was "back". But I also don't believe that Front is "back.
The people on the forum, who so blindly believe in Front and TS and totally trust Souza should read this:
http://www.belch.com/blog/2007/11/28/mary-shieler-cybersexed-brian-barrett-to-death/
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/magazine/15-09/ff_internetlies?currentPage=all
2 people lying to each other on the internet, which resulted in a murder committed by one of them. This also went on for 1 1/2 years (people on the forum are always saying if anybody would ever do that for a year or 2, and yes, it happens) and only ended because the murderer was arrested.
This happens a lot, I have seen things like that happen several times, of course it doesn't always end with murder, but it never ends with happy people.
To the anonymous poster with the link to the murder story who is trying way too hard to invalidate Front (which will never happen),
Michael Jackson had sleepovers with children. Other adult men were in similar situations and they molested the children. Michael Jackson didn't. Moral of the story: Just because it happens with other people, doesn't mean it happens with everyone.
Anonymous said: "To the anonymous poster with the link to the murder story who is trying way too hard to invalidate Front (which will never happen)"
In some people's minds it will never happen; but the other side of the coin is that to some it already has.
Let me put forth one proposition though:
If Michael Jackson did indeed fake his death (and that hasn't even been proven without a doubt yet) he did so to the world all at once via worldwide news coverage. Why, would you go to all that effort (if indeed he did) just to have his return/clues/whereabouts revealed through some forum that has more fake members than real ones posting (just check the database if you need to verify that). It just doesn't make sense to go out on a worldwide scale just to return via some two-bit forum that doesn't even keep the forum up-to-date with security fixes.
And there lies the part of the problem. Instead of following TS, Front, and Back waiting to be spoon fed the next morsel of information; how about working on proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he even faked his death. Surely if Michael wanted his message spread he'd have hoped people would have started at the beginning.
Oh well i guess Souza is too busy with her imaginary members and helping TS offcourse !
If you are that busy you cannot keep up with security fixes!
It makes all sense now!
And so busy with Front and Back and his brothers Left and Right too.
And what about the aunties Up and Down?
When will it be their turn?
Quote:
"Michael Jackson had sleepovers with children. Other adult men were in similar situations and they molested the children. Michael Jackson didn't. Moral of the story: Just because it happens with other people, doesn't mean it happens with everyone."
This doesn't make any sense in this context. I posted this to show how easy it is to fool people on the internet as long as everybody is anonymous (and even if they apparently give you their real name and address, it might not be their name and address). So as long as there is no actual proof that Front and TS are legit, people should be extremely careful.
Front is creepy. His gathering a religious army,they speak very cryptically and the words are open to any interpretation the style appears is to be to raise an army for the purpose he has not made clear yet. Army of Love? No. Those people are merely female dogs on heat hoping with all their connections that Michael Jackson will pick them to be his wife. Failing to understand when Michael Jackson was not looking for a wife . That over 3 decades he had millions of women to choose from. People believe what they need to believe in to live every day life and Front has made their self that person. I have wondered if it's the admin who is front.
The reasons the forum suddenly means nothing to me is because
1.) Everyone is kissing Front's ass because they believe it is Michael. Which I don't believe it is for one second. And -
2.) The forum reportedly promotes "not believing everything you read" and "thinking for yourself" ... yet if you have your own opinion don't you even THINK about posting it or the moderators will be breathing down your neck, threatening suspension from the site. I view it as power hungry. Not attractive.
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