1/10/2012

To Believe Or Not To Believe


Shakespeare is dead; and has been for a few hundred years so the world can steal and fuck his quotes over however they wish.

To believe or not to believe the bullshit that is undergone at the Nazi HQ known as MJDHI. Well, the obvious answer is to not believe anything that falls out the cesspit of the whole hoax.

Front, Back, or Bec, or whoever is claiming to be the insider this week along with the everlasting TS is the official 'inside' voice of the Michael Jackson death hoax? Really? Because I swear to some God that when Front and Back first started the Admin of MJDHI and Bec were so certain that I was Front or Back because we both used the word "Atlas".

But no that has been forgotten now and because Souza and her new pussy-licking bitch Bec have said so Front or Back is actually an insider that knows what is going on. Hang on. Knows what is going on? Is Backwards actually Jackie Jackson? It could be. Hell it might even be Larry King - he's not exactly busy anymore.

What happened to all the other certainties? What happened to the whole "Where The Wild Things Are" theory? What happened to the "Double Bam" theory? Did that canceled because Elvis is in Las Vegas? What happened to the "Twin" theory? What happened to the "Dog Autopsy" theory?

All of these supposed 'on the money' theories are lost in the annals of hoax history because they were nothing more than guesses.

So why are the members of MJDHI so willing to believe that a few fucked up cryptic bullshit quotes and redirects mean anything? Because if they don't they get belittled by the Admin followed by Bec, still liking her lips after licking Souza's ass, and then all the people that will blindly follow these cunts without questioning anything.

Why has none of the members ever asked TS, Front, or Back to just say something in clear English which has not happened, and is not already common knowledge among Michael Jackson fans, that will happen. Come on, surely one of these three insiders can give a clear answer to something that will happen.

Just to give them a helping hand here is the layout that can be used:

DATE: (The exact date of a forthcoming event - after all they are an insider they should know.)
TIME: (OK The time might be difficult - lets make it easy and leave it in Dutch time.)
EVENT: (The exact details of the event. Not something like "An album will be released." And make sure you name where it will take place exactly and who will be there.)
TIME OF POST: (The time they posted it to the forum - so when it is found on the Internet from 3 days ago it can be proven.)

That is not too much to ask. Come on. Supposedly these mental patients are insiders to the biggest hoax in the world. A simple exclusive of an event, with specific details not available anywhere on the 'net, shouldn't be such a hard a thing. And having it in plain English shouldn't be too much to ask. No cryptic bullshit where you have to divide the number of times Bec has dreamed of licking Souza out by the number of times Souza has logged in as people other than herself. Just plain English.

But it won't happen. Why? Because these cum-guzzling sacks of shit know nothing more than anyone else. Don't believe me? Disagree with them and watch how fast you get banned or belittled by the Nazi bitch Admin and her cunt-licking sheep Bec.

And the reason you can't ask questions? Because these lying sacks of shit can't back up anything they say. Not a thing. Nothing they have said was not common knowledge already. And all the numerical mind-fuckery is just that. Look at the mathematical bullshit TS keeps spewing out - the equation changes to fit the answer. If it was all some numerical quest the one constant would be the equation not the answer.

Follow this shit if you want. After all who am I to say what is wrong? But seriously while you read the drivel of supposed 'insider information' at least look at it with an open mind; and not just take what is being forced down your throats as gospel.

197 comments:

JMseesMJ said...

Ha ha whoohoo hee hee, you’re in top form again Doggy !


Just by talking about that forum we (myself included, because I am commenting on it) make sure to give it a fresh boost and breathe new life into it.
I thought it was pretty much dead already.

Ever since it became apparent that no amount of investigation would solve the Michael Jackson case, the forum needed to provide more variety in order to survive. They had to utilize all means available to keep people’s interest piqued: diversify TS-lessons, a pinch of controversy here and there, send in some trolls or create a new “informer” at the foreFront - et voilĂ  it is preserved from falling into oblivion.

Why all this effort, what is it’s agenda ?

Is it some kind of social psychology study in order to prove history can be repeated, even online ? A small scale experiment using indoctrination techniques and see how fast a random group of people can be brought into line ? I’d say a couple of doctoral theses could be harvested from the accumulated data.

Or perhaps it is a ludicrous attempt of some bible fanatic to spread the Word of God and the MJ hoax site came in handy to shroud his intention. A sect forming right before our eyes ?

However it is most likely that I am overestimating them entirely and they simply fell victim to their own game. The craving for some internet fame might have been so overwhelming that they didn’t notice when the usual group dynamics set in. Now the forum suffers from groupthink big time and everyone is fine with it nonetheless.

Be it as it may, one thing is clear, Michael Jackson became secondary on that forum a long time ago.
What’s left of the grand “death hoax forum” is a pathetic farce !


Anyway, thank you Doggy for allowing me to be heard on your blog once again from the place behind the sound-absorbing glass.
Let’s stay sharp… joking always helps ; )

Anonymous said...

AMEN!! They seriously think we are stupid and buy that crap. I'm on my way out the door because I can't stand watching any more. It's sickening and SO OBVIOUS!!

"No cryptic bullshit where you have to divide the number of times Bec has dreamed of licking Souza out by the number of times Souza has logged in as people other than herself. Just plain English."
----OMG!! This cracked me up!!! But it pretty much sums up their "proof" and we are suppose to buy it. smh.......


Keep them on their toes, doggie!! You are so awesome!!

Anonymous said...

Yes, I remember admin being very wary of Front at first, and I remember them accusing him of being you because of the word 'atlas,' silly as it was! (Front is not as 'crude' as you, Doggie! And I don't mean that as in an insult! Your blog makes me LOL!!) But, that in itself should tell people something. Those few very confused people who are claiming that TS, Back and Front are all the same person (admin), can rely on the very fact that you stated, Doggie. Because if they were all same person, admin wouldn't have been so wary and accusative of Front. Think about that.

Over the past seven months or so, Front has been validated again and again. No turning back now. Even the official MJ Facebook page and MJ's family has thrown out clues and confirmations, all validating Front. And, yes, Front has said things would happen or made 'cryptic' posts, which people didn't understand at that time, and then that very same thing happened as he said it would, and then they understood Front's posts.

Your 'layout' is faulty because this is a hoax (clues and investigation). It's all part of MJ's 'game.' He's not going to give direct information, that would be dangerous. He's not going to do anything to compromise this hoax that he's planned for so long, just to 'convince' a few naysayers.

It's so obvious. The few people that 'claim' to not believe, do in fact believe. That's why they can't stay away from the forum and continue to post there. Simple as that.

Anonymous said...

no one is "forcing" anything down anyones throats, they are there because they want to be there, because they know and believe, they are not held hostage

ME said...

:)))))))
They haven't proven it in 3 years, why starting now? Cause they're a bunch of fake freaks who talk to their self through some multiple accounts leaving the impression to the external audience that they are believed therefore probably genuine. Thats the method used by them. If you visit outside sources, nobody believes their crap in fact. And even then, their multiple accounts go outside for a walk to defend themselves. Debunkfakers.com would be a lovely forum. I would love to stalk Souza as she did with Michael. I would have a fake insider of my own posting news on her past, present, future life. Numerology involved. Hell, I don't even have to know it, I just babble some numbers until I reach the needed result.
Great post Doggy, you should take your writing stuff to a pro level. You really are talented!

Anonymous said...

Doggie, is it true that you were once a member on Souza's forum and even on friendly terms and then you got banned and now you're pissed at her and this blog is your way of retaliating? Not accusing you of anything, just asking. That's the story floating around, so I just wanted to hear the other side of it. Hope you don't mind me asking.

Anonymous said...

Thank you "evil" doggie for another great blog.

It's quite busy here discussing MJDHI, thank you for permitting, I even love to read all the comments.

MJDI should be labeled by some human right organization.........which requiers a warning label before you open the site that says "This site is pure fiction and can cause severe brain damage LOL.

@ Thug, to answer your question about the screenshot, it is from late september 2011.

"K"

Anonymous said...

ts = family member
back, front = mj

Admin said...

@Anonymous ... No I have not been banned at MJDHI. This rumor pops up every now and again to try and prove that I say what I say out of spite.

My account at MJDHI is active and posted in the last week. I was going to say "7 days" but didn't want anyone jumping to the idea it was a sign or clue - LOL.

Anonymous said...

Anyone claiming to be an "insider" or "in the know", well, not claiming, but not denying as well, anyone labeled "insider", I believe to be
as much informed as the rest of us.
If it's not admins themselves, than it's someone
like our fave mjviva, only sliiiightly different.
If the hoax happened, there won't be blabby "insiders" on every corner of the www.
Happened or not - "insiders" are always fake, that's just my Anonymous opinion :)

Anonymous said...

The forum is going stronger than ever, Army of L.O.V.E. will never fail. We love MJ and we beLIEve in MJ. For those who don't, oh well, your loss. :)

Anonymous said...

So you are now posting under a different user name because your old one got banned? Ok, that explains it. LOL

Anonymous said...

I think I remember them saying that "atlas" is such an uncommon word and rarely used (I even think they claimed that most people don't even know that word) that you have to be "Front" - just shows how "big" their vocabulary is.

Jim "Souza" Jones posted a new blog a few days ago and "TS" was nice enough to link to it right away, and now the Borg on the forum think it's the shit.

Anonymous said...

See, the problem is there's a few shit-stirrers on the forum, like with every forum. And they get angry when they are called out. They think they can fool people. They are wrong. I've been a member on many forums and I see the same thing on every one of them. Souza's forum is no different. A member will get banned if they are simply there to cause trouble, NOT because their opinion differs from the majority - as with ANY forum. But, it makes people question, if their opinion differs and they believe MJ is dead…WHY would they be on Souza's forum in the first place? Something to think about. ;)

Anonymous said...

Thanks, K. I guess she's really living up to the "Double's Theory".

@anonymous 1:09 am....give it up. The only people still buying that charade are bec, Souza, and their multiple personalities.......

*Thug*

Anonymous said...

Those nutcases posted another GarageBand snippet from Front and saying it's definitely MJ. When are they going to give it up and quit insulting Michael?

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "So you are now posting under a different user name because your old one got banned? Ok, that explains it. LOL"

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I never said I was banned. I said I post under a different name other than MJHDC. My account at MJDHI has never been banned.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "The forum is going stronger than ever."

Wonder why traffic from unique IP addresses doesn't show that strength? And seems hits are down compared to what they were it would suggest more people waking up rather than the Army Of LOVE being something we should all be ashamed for not being part of.

Anonymous said...

Excellent post by JMseesMJ!!!!!!!!! Hats off to you and the Blogger :)

Anonymous said...

The forum admins can look up IP addresses of the members and so much more so WHY don't they do a check on Front, Back and BS if they are so convinced Front is Michael Jackson? They could discover the ultimate truth and share it with the world. But Nooo! According to one forum member "Michael wants to keep things intimate, he prefers a small group" If you buy that shit, OMG, someone please contact the Lady with No Name who promised to mix up a new batch of the Jim Jones Kool-Aid after she killed off over half of the members of the old MJHD. Tell her just half the recipe this time around.

Anonymous said...

"The forum admins can look up IP addresses of the members and so much more so WHY don't they do a check on Front, Back and BS if they are so convinced Front is Michael Jackson?"

They have. They won't openly admit it but everyone knows they've already checked it. ;)

Anonymous said...

Yes, many were skeptical of Front at first, can you blame us? Keep on thinking we're crazy ;)

Anonymous said...

IP's are not relevant, I'm sure they're all behind proxies, but even if they weren't , why would Souza check, she already knows who they are and she knows damn well they have nothing to do with Michael Jackson. Soon that forum will only have religious/NWO/new age/end of the world/monsters/Satan threads left - as planned. Do you really believe anyone cares about Michael? I feel like vomiting each time I read about their love for Michael. Disgusting coming from them. Hidious.

Anonymous said...

Possible bec and Souza personalities:

Love4Michael (this one is SO obviously Souza)
Sarahli
BetheChange
2good2btrue
RunninGirl
AustralianBeliever

There are others, but these are the ones that people should pay attention to.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 7:18 PM - I agree with everything you said, it's not about Michael, it was about trying to start a religious cult on the internet and abusing Michael's name for it. It took a while, they had to be careful and just did this in relatively small doses to make sure people just get used to it (mind control), and now after the trial they turned it into a full-blown sect with probably Tim Simkin behind it. And people did get used to it and don't question anything anymore, Michael is the new Jesus now. What happened to "he had to fake his death because he was in danger and the FBI is helping him"?

About the bec and Souza personalities - Anna might be one of them too, although she SEEMS to doubt all the time. They say offensive things about and to her all the time, hell, they even told her to go see a therapist, because she has doubts (that therapist would have a good laugh with this "I believe that Michael Jackson is alive and that he faked his death to change the world and to fight the Illuminati and he is the new Jesus, but sometimes I have doubts and the believers on this hoax forum on the internet told me that I have a problem and that I need therapy", lolz. And no matter how much they insult her, she is still kissing their behinds.

Anonymous said...

I also a member at MJDHI and they're not too happy with me lately. One thing I can say is there IS something going on there. I can tell you AustralianBeliever is NOT with the admins, she's a friend of mine and I certainly am NOT one of them. As hard as I try to set different paths, the great crowd is steered to the religious writings of the famed "TS". I am wondering if anyone ever heard again from "Mo" and what that argument was between her and souza.. I was there but just don't remember it. Also, I don't remember Amy even being there. I was too intent on finding if Michael were really alive.

Anonymous said...

Well, if this Australian nutjob isn't one of bec's multiple personalities, then I have to say, she has exactly the same condescending and "holier than thou" personality, the two must have been separated at birth. Birds of a feather ...

Anna's thread about TS being Tim Simkin now has turned into a thread to worship TS (like they need another one of those on there) since certain posters obviously stopped posting - but I guess that's exactly what she wanted to achieve by calling the other people who were on her side "trolls".

In other news ... bec's obsession with Amy's diaper fetish is kind of twisted. It's like she has a "diaper fetish" fetish.

Anonymous said...

@anonymous 9:10.....If AustralianBeliever is not with the admins, then how can she even stomach kissing bec and Souza's a$$es? They are truly revolting...even when they are "trying" to be nice. (It doesn't come naturally to them, ya know.) Your friend needs some sense knocked into them.

I want to know what happened to Mo also.

Anonymous said...

Interesting, I just saw this post in the thread about TS that Anna started:

**************************
Something else I'd like to point out in this quote, the options:

TS said:
"Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy."

1) Maybe it's his website
2) Maybe it's someone he knows
3) Maybe the site was used as a decoy

There is no other option, like "maybe it's not my site and I also have nothing to do with it". He admitted that he is somehow linked to that site.
**************************

So TS himself said that he is linked to Tim Simkin, what more do they need? Too funny. This guy must have such a good laugh with those idiots!

AUSTRALIAN BELIEVER said...

wow. how rude and 'unenlightened' your blog is.

for your information, i am AustralianMJbeliever. i am not an alter ego of souza or bec and i dont agree with a few things that they have posted. (both religious and hoax related)

i also post my picture as my avatar occasionally.

so please get your facts right. i could say more. but this despicable blog and nasty comments attached are not worth the energy and only waste my bandwidth!

Anonymous said...

Your message was lost in the venom.

Anonymous said...

I read the forum daily to see what's going on and half the time I have no clue what in the world they are saying. I still personally believe Michael is alive but whatever, but this blog made me LOL so hard. Especially at the 'multiple personalities/accounts' part. Woooo.

Anonymous said...

Guys, this cant be real:

-- admins can see ALOT, and still dont share. Why?
-- numerology helps anyone to get where they want to, not otherwise.
-- TS suggested himself he could have been linked to Simkin site.

So why all of that is still there? A thing to think about.

Anonymous said...

Opinion of an outsider:

I used to visit MJHD and Thisisalsoit almost daily for most of 2009. But like most MJ fans, I took the time and I came to terms and accepted he had passed.
A couple weeks ago I decided to check back. I assumed the website would have shut down by now but alas, it was still here. These past few days I have been lurking...and I gotta say...

What the hell is going on? It's frightening. It has literally turned into a religious cult. There is little mention of MJ and essentially no mention of ANY of the physical evidence what was brought up in 2009...
These people are admitting that "For Michael, I have been reading the bible even though I am an atheist" - Holy crap! Are you STUPID? Whoever is running this fucked up show is reeling people into a ultra religious cult and they don't even realise. Michael would never do this. STOP using his name. Call it for what it is, a Paranoia induced wagon circling for the Illuminati or whoever fearing people of the world. Do they even remember who Michael was, who he still IS and MEANS to people? A legend. A beautiful and talented person. A Human Being. Just STOP it.

I am insulted on behalf of MJ fans, MJ's family and Michael himself.

And for those of you who want to believe he is alive but focus on concrete hoax evidence, it's natural to want to continue! The Elvis Sighting Society is worldwide. I wouldn't expect anything less for Michael.

Anonymous said...

I can assure you 2good2btrue is a real person who has her own opinion, and is also very much opinionated....This person is a mother who was never a fan of MJ, but came across the hoax sites as a result of her own curiosity...Doggy, you have just proved how desperate you must be to judge and demoralise others for a moment of fame and attention. Dogs are normally loyal, trustworthy, and are known for their unconditional LOVE...so please do me a huge favour....and lose the name...It actually kinda offends me, as I am a huge dog lover....you could change you nickname to "Snake" as they are very sly...have a good day, and you got what you wanted and needed...God bless

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "I can assure you 2good2btrue is a real person who has her own opinion, and is also very much opinionated....This person is a mother who was never a fan of MJ, but came across the hoax sites as a result of her own curiosity...Doggy, you have just proved how desperate you must be to judge and demoralise others for a moment of fame and attention."

A moment of fame? It is a blog. It is just there. But you missed the most important thing - it wasn't me that said 2good2btrue was anything. It was from a comment like yours which is anonymous.

So changing my name from Doggie (which I never chose it was just given because of the bulldog logo from the beginning) to snake would be pointless. And as for the offense it may cause being called doggie if you prefer you can use the old-old name of MJHDC which should be somewhat less offensive.

As for getting what I wanted I'm not even sure what that is meant to be. I don't want anything thanks. I dont advertise this blog and I don't put anything up for any other reason than to remember what I was thinking for some short time. If I was going to worry about people coming to the blog I'd be doing interviews with shady newspapers and websites to promote it.

Admin said...

AUSTRALIAN BELIEVER said: wow. how rude and 'unenlightened' your blog is. for your information, i am AustralianMJbeliever. i am not an alter ego of souza or bec and i dont agree with a few things that they have posted. (both religious and hoax related) i also post my picture as my avatar occasionally. so please get your facts right. i could say more. but this despicable blog and nasty comments attached are not worth the energy and only waste my bandwidth!"

Once again I never actually said you were the alter-ego. That was from an anonymous comment; all my comments which are mainly replies show as me. So for getting my facts right I would suggest the same.

As for being rude. To be honest this post was kind of clean in comparison to some of the older stuff. I have kind of mellowed over time. LOL.

If you are worried about bandwidth I'd suggest switching to an ISP without any data limits.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "Your message was lost in the venom."

Maybe. But I chuckled to myself while typing it. So it was worth it.

I don't do messages just my opinion on things. The fact others read it is great; but hey if it was just for me to look back in a few years and make myself laugh that is great too.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know what happed to the mod called Sinderella?

Anonymus (better than poser) said...

AustralianBeliever, you are so fcked up, girl. Where's your personality?
Souza, fuck you!
Bec, fuck you!
With L.O.V.E.

Front, we're all anonymus, just like you. Except we are not posing Michael Jackson on forums, chats...you know what i mean;) Karma will get you... not us. But if you want to continue, I'd suggest you to less bitching. Search Michael Jackson on the internet and see what kind of man he was. You need more training on that. I'm sorry people believe you. Guys, remember Michael Jackson, the real one. Go back to his songs, to his interviews, to his life. See any difference? Don't assign him Front's posts. It would be a shame for everything Michael is.

Anonymous said...

Admin said: "If I was going to worry about people coming to the blog I'd be doing interviews with shady newspapers and websites to promote it."

Ouch ... like ... The Sun?

Anonymous said...

Cant speak for the others but love4michael started on MJFC and posted there with the same nasty writing style during the time frame I would visit. This person is likely not Souza but she is ball busting and seems more interested in fighting with others. Have to investigate the other names.

Anonymous said...

Here is a recent post by FRONT. If anyone believes that Michael Jackson would speak this way, you are out of your fucking mind. Michael Jackson suffered through the most humiliating experiences and yet, he remained HUMBLE. You never heard an unkind word come from his mouth. This just proves that FRONT IS NOT MJ or in any way affiliated with MJ. He also DID NOT BELIEVE IN KARMA!!!!!!!!!!!!

SOMEONE IS LYING TO YOU. SOOOOOO if I were you and had any doubt about what someone says, I would continue to ask questions but DO NOT EXPECT TO GET THE TRUTH FROM SOUZA OR BEC. I don't care if she leaves her home number or address because SHE WILL NOT TELL YOU THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!.
Wonder why MO isn't part of MJHDI, well she was SICK AND TIRED of all the DECEPTION. She was sick of how SOUZA was deceiving the members of the forum. DO you think things have changed? NO.
And you better believe SOUZA has MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS!!!!! I know, because I was TOLD which ones they were!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lastly, Michael Jackson would be utterly DISGUSTED with what is going on in that forum. ALL IN HIS NAME MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!. If you want to do something in honor of Michael Jackson, get the hell out of that forum and go outside and breath some fresh air instead of eating the shit they are dishing out. Go out and do something that makes a difference in this world. That is what he would ADVOCATE, not sitting behind a computer playing numbers games and taking SHIT from SOUZA to fulfill her AGENDA. I don't care if she put 25 fucking years into the forum. She has turned it into a brainwashing station. She has no regard for Michael Jackson, she never did. She was not a fan. That forum is no longer ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MJ, it is about BULLSHIT numbers and games. It's one big MIND FUCK or ARG as Bec calls it.
And they have the NERVE to attack the BLOGGER! What hypocrites. I dont' know the blogger but thank God for his blog because this is THE ONLY WAY you will get an OBJECTIVE point of view, this is the only platform for THE TRUTH. So my advice to you fucking forum morons is to THINK for yourself for a minute and TRY to think objectively. You've been put IN SOUZA's BOX way too long and from what I can see, it isn't a pleasant place to be. IT's TIME TO STEP OUT OF THE BOX AND THINK FOR YOURSELVES instead of being TOLD WHAT TO DO and being THREATENED if you don't FOLLOW HER AGENDA!!!!! THE WHOLE THING IS SICKENING!
I'm sorry but you claim to be MJ's army of love, well you're nothing but SOUZA's PUPPETS!

Anonymous said...

Front
99
Posts

To the blog authors & their "anonymous" puppet commentators:

It's really a shame when fellow members of this forum and/or so-called "fans" crank out the mindless drivel and preposterous ASSumptions contained in a certain "blog"…much like tabloid trash ASSociates, they hide their intentions/names/sources behind "anonymous" smokescreens --- yet their little "facts" constantly spew from their mouths like diarrhea. I SUGGEST printing out your "precious" BLOG on paper----it can be put to better use, rather than taking up valuable bandwidth: toilet paper for wiping the cake-dried shit off your face. Try removing your head from your ass for once, Mr./Ms. FACT FINDER. Here's a 411 for you and your little circus freak show of "anonymous" groupie AZZ-CLOWNS----> be careful what you dish…..you might just find a big ol' plate of Karma staring you back in the face ---- with a side of eat shit, and choke-on-it dip.

If you get off in attempting to belittle yours truly, so be it. I've been called worse than your elementary insults, and your non-sensical babbling is BORING. However…..when it results in congregating a little circus bandwagon and provokes members to turn on EACH OTHER…that's quite another thing!

Ludicrous accusations & name-calling among members of this board --- furthermore, FROM members of this board --- when we reside in the same "house" as part of the same "family" is an outcry of hypocrisy! This is such a low blow below the belt to admin/mods/members of the the forum, who have worked so diligently and given their valuable time, passionate hearts, and incredible minds to make this place what it is today. MJ would be DEVASTATED at this cold-hearted hostility!!!

I would not--AT ALL!--be surprised if there was a certain name (or 3) in the tabloid arena behind the writers and/or comments of that blog. If I'm right--- and I'm 99.99999999999999% sure that I am--- your writing skills have diminished IMMENSELY. It's not even tabloid garbage--it's one notch BELOW it-----> wanna-be TABLOID TRASH. Aww, can't sell your tabloid fiction for toilet paper anymore…..now you've resorted to free "e-tabloids" in the form of a blog. P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C.

As for the "anonymous" puppet commentators and people who register on this forum with only one intention---- to stir up the shit and then wallow in your own pot squealing like a pig because you derive great orgasmic pleasure from basking in the mud-slinging………………………..

4 words----> GET. THE. FUQ. OUT.

Anonymous said...

they hide their intentions/names/sources behind "anonymous" smokescreens --- yet their little "facts" constantly spew from their mouths like diarrhea

i almost lolled my ass off as i read this quote from front. the irony im sure will be lost on most tho.

Anonymous said...

A very simple question because it baffles me. If you people here think that MJHD are so crazy, why do you even bother to go there, read and make posts? Don't you have anything better to do with your lives? There are so many positive, constructive things that one can do with one's time. Life is short. Find your true purpose and live it. Every minute lost to negativity is not going to come back and neither will it enhance your present or your future.
Peace.

Anonymous said...

"Hopefully we all will be able to remain calm through this turbulence." says them .
I haven't had such a good laugh for weeks. Thank you for this blog!
The thing is their attitude calls for it. They have been rude to everyone who didn't become their mind slave. Any person with self esteem would be indignant. What amuses me is that the forum is opened for every guest to read, but paranoid as we know them, they are shouting at members for the comments other posted on a blog. And they also confuse our comments with yours:) Funny. She wouldn't let nobody comment anything but God forbid if anyone comments some place else. :) Internet is not communism, Screwza. One day you will have to admit that you can't control anything, you are just managing a forum. Not all members/guests adore you. What a surprise was for you. That's how dictators feel too when they wake up. But Hitler had a great idea in the end.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "A very simple question because it baffles me. If you people here think that MJHD are so crazy, why do you even bother to go there, read and make posts?"

I have a very simple answer; speaking for myself only. Because in this crazy thing that is life a spark can be from any source. Not saying answers are there just the occasional thing that sends my mind thinking about something; and then I go and check that something out.

Not sure if you watch the TV series "House" but he is always talking to his friend about something else which will click something in his head about his current patient. That sort of thing.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to burst your bubble, but MJ DID IN FACT use that kind of language. People who knew him personally and were very dear friends have said it in interviews from their own mouth. And when I say 'knew him personally' I mean PERSONALLY. Not the way WE know him. Sorry to ruin your little fantasy but MJ was nothing like the persona that he presented to US, publicly. As far as the post goes about karma, that's just a cliche. Anyone can say it to make a point. Whether or not he (MJ) believes in it is irrelevant. And what are you using as a reference to base your assumption on? The tapes from years earlier? Times change. People change. Maybe you should do a little more research before you speak like you know the man personally.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous JANUARY 19, 2012 9:08 PM

"Wonder why MO isn't part of MJHDI, well she was SICK AND TIRED of all the DECEPTION. She was sick of how SOUZA was deceiving the members of the forum. DO you think things have changed? NO. "

Mo KNEW about the DECEPTION
and SUDDENLY she got sick and tired off it?
She was in Screwza her ass and didn't notice the smell earlier?
They were both fooling and trolling members around with their mindfucks. Mo was also supporting TIAI and said to members that they should research it.
That is not deceiving? Gosh...

Anonymous said...

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22025.0

None of you have the guts to answer her and come forward. See link above. You just hide and make anonymous posts here. Too scared?

Anonymous said...

For someone who claims to know Michael and how he would behave and speak and not use bad language, it’s funny how one Anonymous curses so much. And what anger! Why so angry?
For one who thinks so differently to MJHD members, there are many other places I am sure, to be a part of.
Yes, great idea to go out and breathe some fresh air. Perhaps you may also benefit from this advice?
To pour so much hate towards Souza and members of MJHD is rather mind boggling for one who professes to be an avid fan of the “REAL” Michael Jackson”.
One does not give advice and at the same time expect it to be received if one curses at one’s recipients LOL
No need to feel sick. Stop reading and visiting MJHD.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous from 2:20 AM - the irony wasn't lost on me, when I read that in his post, it made me LOL for real. I was laughing out loud and woke my neighbors.

Anonymous said...

Even if MJ was one to curse, he certainly would never defend people like bec and Souza, who treat his fans like dirt and play mind games with them.

Honestly...does Souza actually think people are going to confess? Does she think she's dealing with kindergarteners? She (and bec) need to get over themselves.

Anonymous said...

If Souza's forum was a movie, this would be the opening sequence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI

Anonymous said...

One of the days, some of you are gonna wake up and regret the vulgarity, the rudeness, and ruthlessness that you have so undeservingly cast onto your fellow 'MJ fans'. On that glorious day, the 'true' fans will shine through while the rest will wallow in their own ugly regrets.

Anyone can hide behind a mask, but 'ugliness' remains even when it's been removed. And this so-called 'blog' and many of the commentators are just plain ugly.

Anonymous said...

hi australianMJbeLIEver here again.

blog author, whoever you are, i am not sure as i only saw this blog for the first time two days ago when someone bought it to my attention. i also dont know anything about you or your history of MJDH forum. i have no hard feelings to you personally. although i dont like your blog, i believe you have the right to your opinion and freedom of speach.

i actually have 60gig a month of bandwidth ;) but i'd prefer not to waste it reading nasty things about me.

when i was addressing the nastiness about me and the inferrence that 'australianMJbeliever' is an alter ego of souza or bec, i was addressing fellow my forum members who cowardly annonymously commented, not you personally abut what you wrote in your blog. however i take responsibility that i wasnt clear in my comment and therefore you would have had no way of knowing that i wasnt speaking about the comments as i agree it did appear upon rereading that i was talking about the blog.

as for the other annoymous comment (not sure who wrote it) about my personality, or the lack thereof, i have loads of it. it really is not fair by the way, to assess and judge my personality based on one comment here, or by a few posts on the forum. i challenge you to try get to know me and you will see that i have loads of personality as other friends of mine can testify. i am open minded, fun loving, quirky but overall very caring for others.

as for the comment that i am 'fkd up' i can only think that as you dont know me, you hate me based on my religion. thats ok too. i expect that. part of my belief and faith is accepting that people wont agree with everything we believe and may not even want to listen to what we have to say. that is their perogative and we very much respect that. so i guess my point is perhaps instead of calling someone 'fkd up' you simply leave them be and agree to disagree.

if i ever disagreed with someone, i would not use character assasination, hurtful words and insult them without my name attached. i dont think its adult. i dont think it is embracing the notion of freedom of choice and speach as well as cultural / religio diversity - which really is a pre-requisite these days.

peace and i wont be back. but want to say all the best with whatever road you all take re MJDH. for me my home is the forum. i dont agree with every post there, or every person. but it (JMO) is run in a peaceful, civil and intelligent manner. even if i dont share the same opinion as some of the posters i respect each individual. and thats why i choose to stay there because of the mutual respect.

(aside the anoymous who cant address me personally about their gripes and write them here. to me thats not respect. but then again, they have freedom of choice too. and if they choose to exercise it in a cowardly manner, then that is their perogative. at least i can say that what you see is what you get and i OWN my opinions)


peace out.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "... while the rest will wallow in their own ugly regrets."

I agree. No I kid. I don't have regrets. Life is one big lesson. Everything happens for a reason and all that. So if it is meant to be then so be it.

And when I take the short bus to Hell; still no regrets. Its warm down there and none of that pesky harp music. LOL

Anonymous said...

It is regrettable that admin of MJHD are being accused of all kinds of fictititious, vicious slander, when all they did was to honorably protect their house and family from covert hooliganism and underhanded, disguised attacks on their family members.
To pervert the truth when one is called out for that malintent and to go forward and further ridicule the much needed reprimand reveals utmost immaturity.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 1:28 PM
1. Don't point the finger at me about my language because I've seen worse. "insert smiley holding the WTF sign* here. Talk about anger, the holier than thou forum is riddled with disgruntled members right now so don't tell me I "think so differently".
If you took psychology 101 you would know that anger is a natural response to D-E-C-E-P-T-I-O-N.

2. Why don't YOU practice what you preach and come out from behind the mask of anonymity yourself. I surmise you are none other than Bec AKA Rollme who can't write a paragraph without putting a word in "quotes" or *ASStricks* in every single one of your posts.

3. Now, let's clear things up shall we. First of all I NEVER claimed to "KNOW" Michael Jackson and secondly I never said I was an "AVID" fan of the "REAL" Michael Jackson. Who in their right mind would be a fan of a "FAKE" Michael Jackson anyhow? Unless you've been through the brainwashing station you come out believing anything that gets throw at you by asswipes. And I certainly have nothing against the "REAL" forum members nor do I hate anyone. It's the puppet masters behind the ARG that piss me off.

4. OMG talk about giving advice with an angry guttermouth and expecting to be met with a joyous reception , Hitler Souza just blew her stinking stack this week spewing venomous verbal vomit at the forum members (like Anna and Gina) and that's okay? *insert what the fuck sign here* Miss Asstricks. Or maybe you have a selective memory and choose not to remember all of her little temper tantrums lately.

5. Give me a break with "Well it's Souza's forum" A forum is only as good as it's members and I don't see her giving recognition where recognition is due. It's always her little minions that get all the praise.
The people who are kissing her ass are also talking behind her back.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 8:51 P.M.

OMG , SINCE WHEN DID MICHAEL JACKSON DIE AND LEAVE YOU BOSS?


Religious fanatic you have no right to judge anyone. it's not cool. That is what is considered hypocritical and I don't have to tell you this because you probably have it memorized from Duderodimy 7:11 "Jesus said to dig the big log out of your own ass before you take the speck out of your neighbor's eye."

Me said...

WTF is Souza keep trying with her "come and tell it to my face". That is not the point, but she doesn't even see it. What a narcisist. I'd suggest her some dating/porn sites. Maybe she will fill her emptyness and stop call us on her skype/phones lol. What a deseperate housesingle.:)

Anonymous said...

Some people on here come as anonymous just because they are not a part of the particular forum or any other social network, but still they can read, and they feel like making a point about all the injustice. Where other theories on the forum ?? Who TS really is. And who is Front? Where is a freedom of speach after all?

Anonymous said...

Bluntly stated but so accurate!!!

Anonymous said...

Just wow, the TS thing has gone to a whole nother level right now! WFT! Seriously??? It's so obvious...and did you see who the post on the new forum from 'The Sign' was last edited by? Good GOD!!!

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "It is regrettable that admin of MJHD are being accused of all kinds of fictititious, vicious slander, when all they did was to honorably protect their house and family from covert hooliganism and underhanded, disguised attacks on their family members."

Not this old chestnut again. Seriously? Attacks on their family members - there any proof of this? Amy tried the same shit back in 2009 when it was MJHD there was no proof then and surprisingly there is no proof now other than the word of one person.

Unless of course you meant the "MJ Family" or "MJ Fam" of which I am no part; yes I am a fan of Michael Jackson's music but at the same time I realize he is just a man. And as for the whole "MJ Fam" thing - I'm guessing I'm the black sheep of the family. LOL.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=22025.0"

Damn I didn't realize Souza wanted to discuss it. That would be fine by me. We can discuss the technical details behind the bullshit at MJDHI - such as member IP addresses.

So how about a live video cast where the two databases (the phpBB and the SMF one - both MySQL) are analyzed in front of everyone?

I'm game Souza. I already have access to both databases. So if you want to humiliate yourself in front of everyone while I rip through the databases for everyone to see let me know and I'll arrange a time to do a live video cast where I'll show everyone the databases and explain the bullshit; and you can defend yourself against the accusations.

Seems fair to me. So let me know Souza and I'll do it.

Anonymous said...

@ angry anonymous

If you didn’t claim to know “know” MJ, then how can you comment on what he would or would not say? Or how he would behave? You contradict yourself a lot. You twist words, no one said anything about a “fake” MJ. The point being made was that people like yourself claim to know Michael’s persona and you don’t.
You use a lot of foul language and call people nasty names. Tsk. You even have to insert the word “ass” into scripture.
Why don’t you give yourself a break and stop visiting MJHD and all the nutters there? Perhaps your blood pressure might go down from it’s elevated state.

Anonymous said...

They now turned it into an "end of days" cult with TS' latest post and made sure to post it on Souza's other forum that is for religious content. This is well thought out, they are trying to get the people to join the new forum, the people they tried to brainwash for 2 1/2 years, and with some, they succeeded. Now they are directing them to the other forum that is not about Michael at all but about their "end of days" cult.

People need to be warned, "end of days" cults never END well ...

Anonymous said...

http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg118#msg118

?

Anonymous said...

I took the bloggers advice and went way back to 2009 to see what I could find and in my archives I found an entry on TWITTER written by SOUZA to yekuhc and it read:

I LIVE A PARALLEL LIFE IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE.
I LIVE A PARALLEL LIFE IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE.




If this isn't proof enough that FRONT's poem was written by SOUZA , I don't know what is. I don't have time to go through the SHITTER to dig up the rest of the CRAP from 2009 but there was also another entry about "humility and respect being a powerful potion." That one was written after the entry where she quoted Churchill. "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets a chance to put its pants on."

Anonymous said...

I agree with Anon 2:15 who said:


"What the hell is going on? It's frightening. It has literally turned into a religious cult. There is little mention of MJ and essentially no mention of ANY of the physical evidence what was brought up in 2009...
These people are admitting that "For Michael, I have been reading the bible even though I am an atheist" - Holy crap! Are you STUPID? Whoever is running this fucked up show is reeling people into a ultra religious cult and they don't even realise. Michael would never do this. STOP using his name. Call it for what it is, a Paranoia induced wagon circling for the Illuminati or whoever fearing people of the world. Do they even remember who Michael was, who he still IS and MEANS to people? A legend. A beautiful and talented person. A Human Being. Just STOP it.

I am insulted on behalf of MJ fans, MJ's family and Michael himself. "

Anonymous said...

Souza just posted this:

"Is it because TS says the world will end soon? Does that scare you? It doesn't scare me for a second and I would be happy if it happened tomorrow."

This woman is scary and dangerous. If they are actually looking forward to the end, Doomsday cults sometimes do things to cause "the end" (see Jim Jones). People should just stay away from that forum, I think the ones who don't see the brainwashing now are lost forever.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm classic fear mongering I see...

"If you take the side of the true ark, then you are on Michael’s side of the Armageddon battle; if you chose to go against the true ark—or even if you take a position of neutral indifference—then you are on Lucifer’s side of Armageddon (see Matthew 12:30; Luke 11:23). Nobody will be drafted to fight for the truth, it’s a volunteer army; but those who don’t voluntarily enlist on the side of truth, will be on the other side of the battle, whether they intend to or not. There will be only two sides. “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

"For those who choose Michael’s side, Michael Himself has made this amazing promise, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne …” (Revelation 3:21; see 22:1-5; 1 Samuel 2:7,8; Matthew 25:31; 20:21-23; Mark 10:37-40). Yes, Lucifer got kicked out of heaven for demanding a seat upon God’s throne; he failed the test of faith. But for those who pass the test of faith, Jesus will give them the very same thing which Lucifer demanded, and yet never received—the privilege to sit on God’s throne! This is not a message of fear, it’s a message of faith, a faith that will conquer Lucifer and all who take sides with him. This is what the final battle is all about; the battle where faith and only faith will win the victory and prize: to sit with God on His throne—this is the battle, the final battle, the battle of Armageddon!!!!!!!"

Nickname said...

Doggy, please do, make a youtube video and let people know who is Souza once and for all and her manipulation skills. She said she is willing to debate as long as there are facts, now let everyone know that TS is not in any way connected with Michael and that she played mind games with members since ever, some of them even revealed by her ex friend/admin Mo. She connected TS with Michael's family and even Michael himself. I have a 100% proof that it is not true, but I can't reveal private messages addressed to me only. You'll say sure, that is something everyone says when they lie, if you can't prove it, it means nothing. I agree, but I can prove it, i just don't want to because I care more about that person than about your belief which is at the end still the one you like. But whoever reads this, just investigate a little more and open your eyes for a moment, the truth is right there, you just have to want to see it.
PS: "anonymus" is just an easier way to post. Stop calling us cowards, the fact that you type a name, any name you want doesn't reveal your identity either. So, if you are forum members you are still anonymus people just like us, it doesn't prove anything. It's a little childish that you keep insisting on this, while for 3 years you are following and praising an anonymus person on the internet who just happens to sign TS. Better ask them to reveal their identity because we're not that fatal for your destiny changes as your anonymus proves to be. But if that's bothering your ability skills to read a comment I can change the nickname "anonymus" to "nickname".

Anonymous said...

I read TS post latest post now and I am shocked. Please, everyone, tweet Jermaine that "an insider" claiming to be in contact with his family is promoting the end of the world cult under Michael's name. A simple tweet from Jermaine would be enough to put an end to all this. TS, PREACH WHATEVER YOU WANT JUST GET YOUR HAND OF MJ OR I WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT!

Anonymous said...

WHAT....A....LOAD....OF......CRAP....... Souza has officially gone completely insane. Anybody that can't see through this shitty charade is just straight up blind.

IT WAS NEVER ABOUT MJ......WAKE UP PEOPLE!!

Admin said...

Nickname said: "Doggy, please do, make a youtube video and let people know who is Souza once and for all and her manipulation skills. She said she is willing to debate as long as there are facts."

I didn't want to do a YT video. It was my way of accepting Souza's challenge; and just saying what I'd bring to the table in a debate.

Anonymous said...

uuummm.....yeah two common words in the same writings is proof that they are the same person *insert major eye roll here*

Anonymous said...

This cult thing was planned from the start ... it wasn't Michael who was "revealed piece by piece", but it was their agenda of drawing people into their cult.

And I don't believe for one minute that Souza only started to read the bible in the last couple of months, she knew right from the beginning where she was going with this, but she couldn't just say "Michael faked his death because the end of the world is coming", adding all kinds of bible verses, most people would have written her off as completely insane right away. She gathered a following by feeding people her agenda "piece by piece". The people behind this are dangerous, because they know exactly what they are doing and knew from the start how and what to do. And probably have done this before.

Anonymous said...

therapy
:)

Anonymous said...

For the few people who think Souza and TS and Front are all the same person. They are not.
Back and Front, same person (probably MJ).
TS never curses.
Front/Back/MJ curse.
Souza, well she curses a lot. lol
Back has been around since before 2009 and gave a lot of inside information about what's happening now. Front is clearly back.
TS (probably an insider) and Front have helped with a lot of understanding about MJ's death hoax.
Souza is admin of the forum, not an insider.
No idea why anyone would think they are all the same person. Some people are very difficult to imitate (Back/Front) are one of those people. Couldn't keep up a charade like that for years, no way.
Plus, I think Souza is not even American. Impossible for a non-American to imitate an American with a very unusual style like Back/Front.

Anonymous said...

Religion is a very personal thing. And it cant be explained in ~ 10 posts of TS. None of this could have been done in the name of Michael. And surely its not the way to do it in the name of God.

Anonymous said...

This cult thing was planned from the start ..
I Agree.
michaelsarmyoflove is not michael jackson's army of love but archangel michael's army of love. That was the plan. And it seems accomplished if we watch the reactions.
Nice manipulation, TS.

Anonymous said...

yes MJ is quite the manipulator isn't he? always has been. he's got more up his sleeve I'm sure. as MJ says 'keep watchin' ;) it will all 'come together'

Anonymous said...

Those desperate people have absolutely NOTHING to do with Michael Jackson and his family. They are a CULT, based upon power-crazed midde-aged grey haired white women, who don't have a life, desperate to have control over others, in the name of their fake "God." They've cycled through so many theories, BAM dates and failed, that they're now running in circles, claiming other posters were MJ. They can't control the internet, they can't control real information. The admin and her buddies are False Prophets, may God have pity on their very souls.

Anonymous said...

Two documentaries that people should watch before they decide to follow Souza and TS blindly:

The End of The World Cult

Cults: Dangerous Devotion

You can probably find them on youtube.

Anonymous said...

"People in a mind control cult will also hide their true thoughts and feelings, and instead wear a mask which presents them as a perfect cult member. This mask is a defense against being reported to leadership and being punished for not measuring up (cult members never feel like they measure up to the cult's ideals, and yet often believe the other members around them do, when in reality the others feel the same as them). "

Anonymous said...

"Yet the mere fact of publishing S.T.U.D.Y. material on the Web is not my main calling; it is the type of
Web publishing that I am planning to do—which is unique, important, and my main calling. I plan to take Web
publishing and doctrinal STUDY to a level never done before, as far as I know (and I am fairly sure that I would
know it, if anyone else out there were already doing what I am planning to do). " Timothy D. Simkin, T. .Y. Tim, Sonya, and Teilen Simkin
http://www.pdfio.com/k-323880.html


Well, TS, you made it;)

Anonymous said...

Hmmm I wonder what will happen???

Also kind of makes me think of predicted 'bam' dates...

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2011/05/prophecy_fail.html

Anonymous said...

Okay, lets get it of the way: is there any valid proof that TS is a family member or any kind of insider?? Some occasional lines on twitter?? Anyways! Lets be "loyal" and repost some tweets righ in HERE or on the forum, maybe. And after this, let TS or whoever believes him explain in plain English what did that mean.
No? Then NO proof is left. The rest is fake calculation and pointless research. They said we need to research. True. Lets research. Wheres the proof of any fact that Front or TS are the people they claim to be. Just post it. Its easy, no need to debate even.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Hmmm I wonder what will happen?

Also kind of makes me think of predicted 'bam' dates...

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2011/05/prophecy_fail.html


**************

Holy crap, that is exactly IT isn't it??

N said...

Because Souza's logic is poor, she asks members to PROVE that TS is fake and not only that, but to do it with facts too. Members are usually stuck on this response because they are intimated by her or maybe they just don't see very clear anymore spending too much time in this group.

Souza, the proof lies upon him who affirms, not upon him who denies. It's TS the one who must prove his connection with Michael Jackson, it's not the members who must prove that TS is not. But members always feel obliged to back up their TS rejection because you jump all over with: facts, facts. Where are your facts?

TS has failed in solo bible preach but in combination with Souza, they're doing history with Michael Jackson fans like vultures at dead bodies. An opportunity like this could not be missed. I don't believe Souza suddenly became religious and St Mary preaching end of the world with Jesus aside. I think the army of love was prepared since the beginning for Michael the Archangel. That's why we have now michaelsarmyoflove and her other new domain name(religious of course) bought 5 days ago, http://www.anointedark.com/sign_1_the_final_ark_of_safety.pdf

Anonymous said...

Proof of Front's/Back's authenticity? TONS of it: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.0

Anonymous said...

Ok folks... I think I've worked out who TS is..!!!!

Wait for it...

http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/images/8/84/Ned_Flanders.png

Anonymous said...

N - someone actually did post that when asked to give proof that Front is fake "why do we have to prove it with facts when the other side doesn't have to prove anything with facts?" - and yes, this person was thrown out of the cult, lol. If you think for yourself, you are gone.

And yet they totally believe that it was a "clue" that Jermaine wore orange in an interview, because their background color on the forum is orange, lol. That is one of their "facts".

Anonymous said...

http://www.dangerousminds.net/images/uploads/afiles/Rapture_prank_clothes.jpg

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/gallery/rapture-bomb/rapture-bomb-toilet.jpg

Anonymous said...

N - the link, WTF is that? Another new website redirecting to their new forum? They are really tying to spread and spread and spread this, I wish their victims on the hoax board would finally wake up and leave the cult before it is too late ...

Anonymous said...

People on that board like "Tink" who never has a kind word. Says she has a friend who talked with Michael in the last couple of months. Michael is not out walking the streets of CA, nor is he in directing school. People "Tink" need to stop spreading falsehoods and raising hopes of others.

Anonymous said...

Just a little reminder: The Archangel Michael stuff isn't even new, I'm wondering if the Jehova Witnesses could be behind all this or some "split group":

Archangel Michael puts Jehovah's Witnesses in turmoil

Split as star's Thriller fans form the MJ Cult

From PHILIP FINN in New York

POP superstar Michael Jackson has been pronounced the Archangel Michael by adoring young members of his religious sect, the Jehovah Witnesses.

But it has bitterly divided the two and a half million Witnesses world-wide and upset the clean-living singer. Older Church members far from putting Jackson on a pedestal, cannot forgive him for appearing as a devilish werewolf in his smash-hit video, Thriller.

Young Witnesses, hooked on the Prince of Pop's music, his dress and his shadow dancing have formed the MJ Cult. They believe the 26-year old multi-millionaire is the Archangel Michael as described in the Book of Daniel, Chapter 12. Verse 1, and "will deliver his people" Part of the passage reads: "And at that time, shall Michael stand up, the Great Prince which standeth for the Children of God."

But more fundamental witnesses feel Jackson represents an unhealthy and decadent faction which is damaging the Church's image. James Penton, a professor of religious studies in Alberta, Canada, said yesterday that Jackson had even been threatened with disfellowship, excommunication from the Church because of his "worldly activities." Professor Penton who says he was himself excommunicated in 1981 that Jackson subsequently renounced the Thriller video in an issue of Awake, a sect publication which has a circulation of nine million. In the article, Jackson says: "I realise now it was not a good idea…I'll never do a video like that again." The row is expected to explode next month with a week-long series of protests by young dissidents outside the Witnesses' headquarters in Brooklyn, New York. One of the protest Organisers. Mr David Riccobini, of Connecticut, said "It is the first time Witness kids have had someone to look up to. Otherwise they lead a very drab life." Jackson, who often disguises himself to do missionary work for the Church, was touring last night and unavailable But friends say he is "deeply troubled" by the row.

(Daily Express 30/8/84).

http://www.positivelymichael.com/forums/showthread.php?7086-Michael-as-a-religious-figure&p=82050&viewfull=1#post82050

Anonymous said...

CULT??????? LMAFO!!!!!!!!!! You people are so full of it. Have fun entertaining your little fantasy. Here's a clue: Get a life!!!! Oh, and read. The WHOLE thing before you judge. Problem is people only read what they want and then they misquote out of context. To make it look bad. People like you just want to start drama because you have NO LIFE. It's very sad. READ. There are plenty of proofs. Go to the old TS threads. The old Back thread. The new 'back and Front' thread. Proofs everywhere!!!!! Educate yourselves before you speak judgements.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "CULT??????? LMAFO!!!!!!!!!! You people are so full of it. Have fun entertaining your little fantasy. Here's a clue: Get a life!!!! Oh, and read. The WHOLE thing before you judge. Problem is people only read what they want and then they misquote out of context. To make it look bad. People like you just want to start drama because you have NO LIFE. It's very sad. READ. There are plenty of proofs. Go to the old TS threads. The old Back thread. The new 'back and Front' thread. Proofs everywhere!!!!! Educate yourselves before you speak judgements."

Proofs everywhere? That the same as proof everywhere? Anyway. Its nice to see the army of love showing so much love to their fellow humans. And before you get all cocky about people believing one thing and not another; it was your Jesus that said "The healthy had no need of a doctor" (something like that).

And where are these proofs (actually proofs is not a plural of proof so let us just stick with real words) - Where is the proof that you are babbling on about?

That is the thing, you can all sit on a forum and write reams and reams while you kiss the ass of TS; but if anyone asks for proof nobody supplies it and just says "Go read".

Well for your information, and I had already stated it previously, I have read the TS mindfuck material and there is no proof that TS knows anything. A couple of coincidences mean nothing. Unless you all would like to go back to the Front/Me thing - using the word atlas.

So if you must keep shouting about "proofs" please show some. Something that proves without a doubt that TS knows something with the flawed numerology theory.

Asia said...

wow 102 comments sure getting busy on here!
im suprised at all these replies

oh souza and her army of I.D.I.O.T.S LOL are here. doggie I can't figure out what you did wrong to anybody on that crazy brainwashing site. all you did was talk about the entire bullshit going on over there...
see I was banned for speaking my mind. but now that I look back I'm so glad I was banned

I can not wait until the site finally crashes.

Anonymous said...

Oh, yes. It's the Jehovah's Witnesses behind thigs MJ cult group for sure! (NOT!!!! I am being sarcastic) Jehovahs' Witness teachings differ completely.

Anonymous, regarding: The article you posted about Michael the Archangel and Jehovah's Witnesses, the information you posted isnt even current its from 84 and not what Jehovah's Witnesses think at all. (That Jackson is Michael The Archangel)

Lucky you are anonymous, you would lose credibility after that post!

Anonymous said...

If you can read or comprehend beyond a second grade level, the 'proofs' are there in front of your face. Do you need me to post it again? Are you a little slow? ok here it is one more time.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=5167.0
That's for Back and Front. The TS threads are spread out over the forum so you'll have to look for those yourself.
And by the way 'proofs' IS a word, Mr. Vocabulary Fucktard.
'proofs: 3rd person singular present, plural of proof.
Noun: Evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.'

Anonymous said...

Well said Doggie! Im fed up with "go read thing"! Are you guys serious about that?? What kind of degree you have to send others to the forum threads. Do you know what education means?? In general terms, you dont go with a doco like this to your boss or a teacher. Guess what he is going to say: just point it out in 1-2 sentences. Make copy/paste of some general points/quotes.
The rest is not informative. No facts in there, no nothing in this thread actually PROOVING that TS or Front or Back is authentic in the way you use this word to explain the fact.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "If you can read or comprehend beyond a second grade level, the 'proofs' are there in front of your face."

See, that is not proof. That is sending a link. I asked you what you perceived as proof. Maybe it is my fault for not saying in a more specific manner.

So, instead of some shitty link to a forum that ... instead of name-calling, and all the back and forth ... I'll just put it in plain English:

One piece of evidence that can be proven beyond the realm of coincidence; in your words and not those of TS. How you actually saw TS' post transpire as a real event or moment. No links - just your words.

As for "proofs" being a word. So is phoenix but I don't agree with that one either. Say it. It is obviously spelled wrong and nobody will admit it.

Admin said...

Anonymous sad: "regarding: The article you posted about Michael the Archangel and Jehovah's Witnesses, the information you posted isnt even current its from 84"

Just butting in here, and really asking this as an atheist, but how can information from a religious group be classed as "not current"?

I know they changed their view on Armageddon after several failed predictions, and then they dropped the King James Bible because it no longer matched their ideology.

Never mind it appears from asking I worked out the answer. I may have it wrong. Are the Jehovah Witnesses an evolving religion that are changing; unlike say the Orthodox Jews who have stuck to the same principles since whenever they started?

Actually ignore this if you want; just me thinking aloud.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 6:01 PM - I said this isn't even new ... I guess you can't read. Doesn't matter if it's from more than 25 years ago. I also pointed out that TS and her followers could be a JW split group. You should read the entire post before you reply.

Anonymous said...

Their only "proof" is that Front and TS sometimes use common words like "key" in their posts and that members of the Jackson family use them as well a couple of days and weeks before or after they were used by Front or TS. And, of course, that Jermaine wore orange in an interview, lol. So to those who were thinking about reading a 250 page thread, it's not worth it. ;)

Also - let's not forget that Front, "the insider" said weeks before the trial that "exhibit B" would rock the trial - and it didn't. People just ignored that and Front just blamed his "magic 8 ball" and they were all fine with it. So much for any "inside info" about things that are supposed to happen in the future.

Anonymous said...

Another day, another MJ tribute event, another missed 'Bam' opportunity. Let's recalculate the numbers...hmmm oh WAIT! Oops, wrong day.
But don't worry guys, he's definitely still alive!!!
Show some respect, and give up already!

RIP Michael, the crazies will calm down eventually.

Anonymous said...

SO we finally came up with:
-- TS and Front are using common "key" words sometimes
-- The same "key" words family memers are using some weeks after TS or Front post on the forum
-- Clothes color, family members wear specific color like they know what is written on the forum

THATS a little bit of something! I noticed that as well.
Thank you for this!

But dont you guys think that mentioned above is little far fetched to be called fact or proof. Dont you agree?
Maybe we missed something? Feel free to add the info if you feel like.

Anonymous said...

IF you took the time to read the thread posted here, you would find all the proofs. You would SEE amongst all the other "clues", all of the FAMILY tweets (Paris, La Toya) that appeared "coincidentally" a day or a few days AFTER Front's posts. The Jackson family back him up in the only way that is possible under present circumstances.

But you won't take the trouble to read, because you would rather spend time here complaining and ridiculing - for your entertainment needs.

Or perhaps you HAVE read the thread but choose to ignore the truth, because it doesn't suit your current state of mind.

Anyway you will continue to believe what you believe.

Live and let live.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "You would SEE amongst all the other "clues", all of the FAMILY tweets (Paris, La Toya) that appeared "coincidentally" a day or a few days AFTER Front's posts."

See, that is not proof. It is mere coincidence.

Any amount of people talking about the same subject, in this case Michael Jackson, will undoubtedly at some point mention similar things. Like I said something that wasn't, in the realms of logic, coincidence.

Hell, even 10 people talking long enough about 10 different subjects will eventually have coincidences in what is said. So because a few days later one of the Jackson family tweeted something which may or may not be classed as similar to something TS said would be a coincidence.

Anonymous also said: "Or perhaps you HAVE read the thread but choose to ignore the truth, because it doesn't suit your current state of mind."

Hey, surprisingly, I have read the thread better than most of the members on the forum. Because I read it with an open mind. I didn't read it blindly thinking TS knows everything.

Look into the study of coincidences and look into the art of being a 'scam psychic'. All TS does is mention that key words (as previously mentioned) and ensure that nothing that is said is of any value. So that way as soon as one of the Jacksons tweet it can be tied into anything.

As Jackie Jackson replied to a question that I had mentioned a couple of days beforehand does not mean I am an insider, or Jackie Jackson reads this blog; it merely means we are all talking about the same subject - yet again another coincidence.

Anonymous said...

Well, we certainly can't rely on the redirect times posted on the forum as "proof". Because as we all know, Souza has changed them before. Her excuse was she "knew" what date TS really meant when he posted the Elvis birthday redirect on Jan. 7th (several hours before Jan. 8th.) instead of Jan. 8th. (Apparently she can read minds?)

How many other redirects have been changed to "fit" some random clue? You can't help but ask yourself that question. Of course, the mistake in the redirect was a "non-issue" laughed off with an "lol" by Souza. "oops"....smh.....

That, right there, is proof that she is TS. Also, the fact that she always has to, "help TS because he had trouble posting". Are you kidding me? It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's going on.

Anonymous said...

I love the crap with "nobody debunked TS' numerology although there is a 999 bucks reward" - that's because there is nothing to debunk. If you take random numbers from random dates from a person's life and add and multiply and divide and subtract them in random ways to get the result that you want, that can't be debunked, because it doesn't follow any logic or any formula that could be reproduced with anybody else's life. Other than if you pick random numbers from random dates from anybody's life and poor some simple math over them, until you get the result that you want ... you'll get tons of beautiful 7s as well. Or any other number you want. There, I just debunked it, but I don't want the money, thanks - donate it.

Anonymous said...

Yes, mate, thats a trouble to read such thread without facts.
And no, im not here for entertainment, not at all.
And yeah, I've started to believe in hoax, when I saw Dave Dave on Larry.
And you believe in TS, because??
Its a trouble if you cant just write it down. Your true honest opinion, and keep sending us to the forum.
Just asking: do you seriously think we havent read Front and Back thread? And thus we are just hanging out in here?
If so, thats another trouble.

Stay blessed.

Asia said...

I'm curious as a reader of your blog what are your believes and theorys on the hoax if you don't me asking?

Anonymous said...

I just saw that I posted this in the comments of your other blog, I had both windows open and typed in the wrong one, sorry:

Wow, now MJonmind linked to rense.com in their TIAI January 21 thread. Jeff Rense is a conspiracy nutjob and Holocaust denier. What else are they going to do in the name of their "religion" and Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson doesn't deserve any of this and Jeff Rense definitely is not about L.O.V.E.

It's getting more and more disgusting.

Admin said...

Hi Asia,

As I have stated in the past I am a 'fence sitter' as far as the whole "Did Michael Jackson fake his death?" bit.

On one hand there are so many inconsistencies in the events after the alleged death. But the underlying problem, as I see it, is that there is no clear reason.

If it was because of death threats - he had those in the past and didn't fake his death. If it was witness protection - he'd have to testify at some point. If it was this whole 'to teach the world a lesson' of some sort - I think a person as famous, and influential as Michael Jackson could have done so alive.

Did he fake his death? I don't know. If he did I have the feeling that he is not going to come back into the public eye again. Why escape the insanity of media, and public, intrusion on daily basis just to come back to it.

Asia said...

thank you doggie.I was just abit curious because
I'm at a point where I'm measuring up the possibility that he might not have even faked his death.... my personal opinion is this..

things happen.
Michael Jackson might have just disappeared on us all along time ago
instead of planning to fake his death maybe he planned to run away? maybe michael didn't have time for a death hoax?

L said...

Lol, a member on the forum, Gina, heard Front's "snippet" in a cartoon yesterday. I loved how Sarahli made her look absurd for questioning. Can you believe they had an excuse even for this? They have excuses for everything, so all of you trying to give them evidence against fakers should just give up. They see you as enemies, puppets commenters, so why being called "blind" "hater" "narrow minded" when time will anyway prove they were fooled and mocked by a dubious group of people. I'm honestly sorry for some of them. They don't see who they are dealing with.

Asia said...

@L I hear you.....

Anonymous said...

It's a disgusting show... all these puppies jumping and defending fals insiders.
Sarahli's assault on Gina's downright stupid. Pathetic woman.
Front is very vulnerable. Too many mistakes.
Tick-tock, tick-tock...

Anonymous said...

why cant you just leave other people alone?

Anonymous said...

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND STOP LYING AND TWISTING PEOPLE'S WORDS. THE SNIPPET WAS NOT HEARD ON THE CARTOON. IT WAS 1 COMMON LOOP. BIG FUCKING DEAL. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LOOP AND A SNIPPET? OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T AND NEITHER DOES GINA. READ THE WHOLE THING AND STOP SPREADING LIES.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5:32 PM - Your caps/lock key is stuck.

What snippet? That's just a couple of GarageBand loops laid over each other, and it's botched as well, especially the first snippet, Front didn't even know how to fade out the ocean sound and fade in the piano in the beginning. That's something a 5 year old kid can do. Have you ever seen the program and played with it? One can do what Front did in 10 minutes without ever having used the program before. Gina just knows the difference between real music and someone who just wants to fuck with you.

Anonymous said...

Sarahli, I very well know what Gina said and you jumped the same on her , but with me its not working. Don't play stupid, I'm sure you aren't. I see you're defending Front here too. I bet he is your internet love lol. Too much passion. Just be careful, he might be a she:)

Anonymous said...

Front never said he posts loops, he refered to his crap as snippets, or "never heard" stuff - his own words. How are they never heard if they're just loops? He is not only lier but very stupid also.

Anonymous said...

Finally I know what is wrong with the music industry today,thanks to the forum!
All artists use GarbageBand instead of playing real instruments and now everything sounds the same..
Music has officially died!
BeLIEvers think the snippet is made by MJ? What a insult to MJ! MJ liked real music, real strings. Music made by real people. He even invented his own sounds. Have you ever heard MJ talking about making music?

Front= http://youtu.be/T3n0vBcW5fc

Anonymous said...

Yeah right MIchael thought to himself0 "lets give them smtg unique... like all my work is - a bunch of loops that anyone could put them together!" LMAO!
You, puppies like Sarahli, stop defending Front anytime someone expresses their doubts about him. Be that smart and do not draw more attention that something is rotten in Denmark ;).
Anyway, you're just a few left, applauding one another like savages at Souza (TS)'s signal.
I'll "keep watching" cause you're damn hilarious.

Anonymous said...

FOR THOSE WHO SIT ON THE FENCE, a few signposts. You can read more to make your own informed decision about Michael's Death Hoax and what it's all about. If you look inside of your heart with love for Michael and use this lens to perceive, the evidence will speak for itself in what you read:


http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1931.0

R48. “In What Will Go Down in HIStory
as the Greatest Demonstration for Freedom ... 999”
{http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&um=1&q=%22In%20what%20will%20go%20down%20in%20HIStory%20as%20the%20greatest%20demonstration%20for%20freedom%20...%20999%22&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi}

This is a quote from Martin Luther King Junior’s speech, titled “I Have a Dream”.  And as most of you know already, MJ used this in “They Don’t Really Care About Us” (in the film).  Of course this could be yet another amazing coincidence; but it really seems like MJ used this phrase in that song, because the death hoax would go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom from the NWO and media control (as well as other aspects of freedom).


http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=1930.0


Many people will refuse to listen, yes; but for those who are open-minded, just ask them to go to ThisIsAlsoIt.com, and read TIAI Revealed.  Especially if they are MJ fans, remind them that MJ himself said: “Prejudice is ignorance”.

Anonymous said...

Yes, guys, lets start "spreading" FACTS instead of mindf**king calculation. That IS what we are speaking about in here, if someone didnt notice. We are not attacking fellow fans, we are speaking about logic and facts, both missing on the forum for a good year or more, and that is what so upsetting. I see much more logic in Doggie's post than in Front/Back/TS posts all together.

Anonymous said...

WRITING IN CAPITALS MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID!!!!

Admin said...

OK with regards to the R48 statement - Not a coincidence. More of a waste.

TDRCAU was released in 1996; so the fact that a redirect goes to a statement using a MLK speech is not even a coincidence. It could of linked to artists such as DJ Quiksilver, Common, Public Enemy to name 3 off the top of my head. And I know there are more that used the sample. As a side note DJ Quiksilver did a remix of his own track featuring more or less the entire speech.

And in all honesty if the death hoax was meant to go down in HIStory - and MJ was somehow conducting it all - I'm guessing people like Souza (tying in the Illuminati, Dog Autopsy, and some other fucked up theories) and Pearl Jr (believes anyone is MJ) would have been dropped by everybody by now. So it may go down in history as some sort of conspiracy; but unfortunately due to the 'craziness' attached it will forever remain under others like Elvis, Tupac, Morrison, etc.

The thing that may go down in history is that almost 3 yrs after the alleged death there have been more 'supposed friends' and 'supposed contacts' than MJ saw in his life since 2005. Where were these so-called friends and confidants back then?

And please say that you didn't use the R48 redirect as proof of TS being authenticate; if not I apologize for reading it that way. If you did may your God bless you.

Anonymous said...

What amuses me is that I am also on the fence that MJ may have hoaxed his death. But when the nutjobs start loading every conspiracy theory on top of it, it collapses into incomprehensible load of steaming bullshit! How on earth can you tie together every nutjob conspiracy theory within one Hoax? Completely impossible, and invalidates anything good that they'd done in the first 10 months, for the most part.

Mud is all they have, because they have replaced fantasy for reality. They wouldn't believe the truth if it was posted, and didn't fit with their views! It's developed into a giant circle-jerk bad novel with every conceivable villain under the sun for desperate, horny women who have children in college and too much time on their hands.

As for me, I hope to find online some real detectives looking into this with their spare time, and able to dig through smoke screens tossed up by officials and family.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Front is MJ's hidden twinbrother.... LMAO

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with the idea that we dont have even a half of facts to say the least to "build" any valid theory. And its also impossible to deny hoax possibility. To me, main question is the reason.
And I honestly think that most of us get stuck exactly on this point.
At the same time we cant just let it go, so we search for any information, and that is why many of us are still here, looking for something, that something.. we dont even know what it is.
Will we ever know? That is the question as well.

Anonymous said...

Quote:
"I finished my last post with this statement, “I say this with so much certainty that if MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that TS is a fake informer!” And now I will finish this post with the following statement, “If MJ does not BAM by January 1, 2013: then you may know that Paris is a fake informer—and even La Toya, since she verified the pariisjaxn Twitter account more than once.”

source: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20261.0

Great! Now we know when it ends.
The truth is hidden in plain sight as always.

Anonymous said...

You sound like a stalker who needs therapy. Yes, you. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Alright, I didnt want to comment on "snippet", but damn it, I just heard it, which put me in a state of shock! Front?? Like really?? To get a feel of what?? You just raped 1minute snippet. And thats a hard task, I should say! Nobody does melody like that. NO BODY. That has to be a joke! RAW one. Show me just ONE professional musician who would even try to joke like this! There are NO instruments at all, should I say more? Why would I even spend my time on typin this..
No proper fade in or fade out. There are 4 "instruments", maybe less, Im not sure, cause I had the nerve to hear it only once. And HOW those "electo waves" were put together?? You really have to have no ears at all to put it like that. You yourself heard that?? Thats so damn wrong to even stick a quote of Michael to this. Feel of it! Feel of what?? Thats not a music, not a sound, not even a proper loop, how under the moon could you even keep in mind to stick MJs name to it.
What a shameful stupidity! Thats merely a con artistry, NO WAY Michaels name can be used to represent sth like this in any form.
Thats just plain ugly, omg!

Anonymous said...

I think if you push past the conspiracy craziness, the hoaxers who are truely Michael fans are just people who are unable or unwilling to accept his death...
Here, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg0c5DWmb88

Have a good cry, try to accept it and keep him in your heart.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "You sound like a stalker who needs therapy. Yes, you. ;-)"

Not sure if this is directed at me or not. But if it is - it is true. I got this certificate from some online university to say not only can I do it; I am qualified to do it. So thanks for noticing that talent. I am glad it was not 4 hours of online university time wasted.

Anonymous said...

No, Mr. Doggie. Not you. I was referring to A.nonymous. She knows who she is. :-) But thanks for sharing, Doggie. LMAO

Anonymous said...

OMG!!!!!! Does anyone have Front's email address or know how to get him to reply via PM? I've PM him before on the forum but he DOESN'T ANSWER! Please I HAVE to talk to him. I can't ask this on the forum or I will probably get in trouble for asking. He wrote a note and posted it on the forum. It is Michael's handwriting!!!! And all the confirming tweets from his family and daughter Paris after he writes about something and it keeps happening! I know he is MJ! He won't admit it but I KNOW. I knew BACK was MJ years ago! I Skype with some forum members and they all say the same thing! I'm so happy but frustrated. I just want a hello from him. :( Has anyone ever gotten a PM reply from him? Everyone says he doesn't PM and doesn't reply. I am going to GET a reply DAMN IT!!! LOL Michael, I love you!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

anonymus 8.47, give up, your role is lame and not that subtle. Probably sarahli again.

Anonymous said...

LOL
You three people weren't successful stirring up shit on the forum so now you come to the dog house to do it. Sad pathetic pieces of shit talking about how others live their lives and what their beliefs are and making fun of them instead of living your own life. Oh wait, that's because you don't have one. LOL
Doggie, get these losers off your blog. At least you are on the fence and don't insult people for no reason just because they don't believe what you believe. I'm on the fence too. I'm not a member on the forum but I read and follow the conversations.
Doggie, I used to read your blog a lot, still do when I have the time, and I've always found your writing style entertaining and you make my husband and I laugh a lot! But now it's just become an outlet for these three or four losers to vent.

Anonymous said...

@5:49......Wow! I can really tell that you aren't a member on the forum. *insert rolling eyes smiley*

Anonymous said...

@8:47....the "overly excited naive 14 year old girl member" charade is so transparent. 14 year olds don't even talk that way. Try something new.

Maybe try the "cranky 80 year old believer that wants to give FRONT a piece of her mind member". That one might be more believable.

Anonymous said...

The MJHDI forum has degenerated into an endless circle of whose interpretation of the bible is correct with the blind leading the blind. What the hell this has to do with what actually happened to Michael I have no idea.

Anyone who does not join in with rousing choruses of support for said delusional bovine excrement (instigated by TS no less) is blocked with opposition instead of consideration. So much for open mindedness. More like 'look for statements that back up my beliefs and filter out the rest' mindLESSness.

The Jehovahs Witnesses have predicted the EoW numerous times and have been wrong. Why believe anything else they have to say? Even their book of myths therefore calls them false prophets, with emphasis on THEIR book. They had to change the words to suit their dogma. Any Jehovahs like to explain how they changed John 1:1 from: "The word was God and the Word was with God" to "The Word was A God and the word was with God"? And no, I won't accept the translation from Greek explanation as my interlinear bible clearly does not include the "A". I thought Jehovahs were monotheistic? Must be more gods than the one they talk about most and they're not letting on or it's a pitiful attempt to render the notion of the trinity null and void. Maybe they should go to Revelation and see what happens to people that 'add or subtract from the words of this book'?

And why believe what the bible has to say anyway? It's true because it says so? Why believe what Wyatt and Hovind say? Because they say so? No proof, just words. So anyone can make up any wishful thinking crap and everyone should believe it? Lets weave a whole theory from the presupposition that God exists and he wrote the bible.It's ridiculous. The bible is a book of fairytales written for those ignorant, credulous and gullible enough to never question it.

The forum used to stand for something but now it makes the term 'investigators' a joke. There is no investigating anymore, just mutual grooming. It's sad as there were some really strong theories proposed there but now they have been let go in favour of preaching wankery. I for one will not return. I am happy to wait and see as I do believe there is a strong chance Michael is alive.

Thank you for providing a safe place to vent even tho I don't agree with some of the personal attacks contained here, since I think personal attacks detract from some(very valid) arguments. Viva Michael!

Admin said...

@Anonymous You make some great points. And I'd like to answer a couple of them as best as I can.

Which translation of the Bible is correct? According to a lot of biblical scholars - none of them. Mankind, Monarchs, and various religions have bastardized the Bible to meet specific agendas and beliefs. When referring to the Bible I use the KJV just because I have it (a gift from a priest hoping I'd change one day).

The John 1:1 question. I was actually just reading a good article that proposes that the Gospel Of John was in fact written by Lazarus ( http://www.voiceofjesus.org/lazarus.htm ) and yes atheists, well this one anyways, do read stuff about the Bible. I believe, but hopefully a JW can confirm, that John 1:1 was changed when they adopted the NWT over the KJV because John 1:1 kind of ties in to the trinity which the JW faith don't believe in. And yes they should worry about what they add or remove because in Genesis 2:26 it says "Let us make man in our image; after our likeness" (KJV) also indicating more than one. The NWT never changed that bit.

As for believing what the Bible has to say, so much has been removed. My KJV Bible has the Apocrypha in it still. So either I get a bonus of extra books or someone else is missing out ... LOL

Anonymous said...

seriously doubt there are any 14 year olds following those threads. your 'theories' are getting really boring. get a life, you lame middle aged lonely lunatic of a woman.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8:43 AM:

"seriously doubt there are any 14 year olds following those threads."

Now how would you know that? The forum is public, so you have no idea who is lurking or posting, and the people who post might also lie about their age.

In the chat a couple of months ago the majority of the people were underage, some as young as 13, and the rest was around 18, 19 and in their early 20's, apart from maybe 2 or 3 people who were older. So there are a lot of very young people who are being deceived by some fake "insiders", and who knows what those "insiders" do with those young people in private conversations like PM's, chats or emails.

Anonymous said...

Instead of slandering and making up fiction about MJHD members, take a look at your own "perfect self" in the mirror. But of course your highly narcissistic personality disorder won't allow you to become humble or respectful enough to refrain from pointing the finger at others and laughing about their "inadequacies". This serves to pump up your own deflating ego and prevents you from addressing your own sense of powerlessness and messed up state of mind. You go around preaching to others as if you have everything figured out. You don't. Have the humility to admit that. Some people have an open mind and are willing to explore things that make no sense to you. Why can't you just leave them alone instead of trying to profess knowing better than them? Go ahead and start up your own Hoax Investigation Forum. Be proactive. Stop whingeing and moaning about a group of people who you do not share the same outlook with. You call other people "pathetic", but you are the only one here calling other people names and cursing and losing your marbles. Take a reality check.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line: there are a lot of people deceived by the "insiders", and its bad, especially when it comes to those, who is underage. It is very wrong to support this type of fakers and such a pity to see how much help they get from fellow fans on MJHI.

Anonymous said...

Lol, yes at last count I have 7 bibles including The Book of Mormon, a Chronological version and a Hebrew/Greek/English version. I have tried reading the Quran but it does my head in. None of them are correct but even if they were would they make any more sense? These are the lengths atheists have gone to in search of the truth and I think many religiots don’t realise this. Often we know their fables better than they do. It is often the very reason we have rejected the whole turgid miasma and chosen atheism.
I’ve been baptised by full immersion (that church closed because the pastor had a penchant for young girls), been to Mass (where they worship idols) had home bible studies with JW’s (which ended when my mainsteam Christian friends pointed out to me their cultish ways) and more home bible studies with ‘normal’ Christians plus endless visits to church. All have their own interpretations. Enough to confuse anyone until the apologists step in with their makeshitupicus. At this stage I realised I was being lied to and I really, really HATE being lied to. They are all so sure they are right, to the point of flying planes into buildings, but they can’t all be. I often want to ask “Do you even hear what you just said? What in the name of reality did you just say? Maybe you should just give me your bank details now since you won’t need any money where you’re going” Then I just want to shake my head and laugh at them for being so thoroughly indoctrinated.
Wow, bonus extra books! I wonder why they were left out. It might have something to do with the fact that they blatantly contradicted the rest, unlike the subtle contradictions of Genesis 1 and 2, which were left in by the clergy at the time. After all in those days literacy was exceedingly poor so the chances of being caught out would have been low, or maybe god was just confused and tired the day he channelled the creation of the world part, lol. And Lazarus wrote John?! Won’t that set the kitteh among the chooks! I can’t wait to see the comical excuses proposed to cover up that little gem.

Anonymous said...

"So there are a lot of very young people who are being deceived by some fake "insiders", and who knows what those "insiders" do with those young people in private conversations like PM's, chats or emails."

Good point! Totally agree. Which is probably why he never PMs a reply and doesn't go to the chat room. Still, a reply would be nice! :(

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "Instead of slandering and making up fiction about MJHD members, take a look at your own "perfect self" in the mirror. But of course your highly narcissistic personality disorder won't allow you to become humble or respectful enough to refrain from pointing the finger at others and laughing about their "inadequacies". This serves to pump up your own deflating ego and prevents you from addressing your own sense of powerlessness and messed up state of mind. You go around preaching to others as if you have everything figured out. You don't. Have the humility to admit that. Some people have an open mind and are willing to explore things that make no sense to you. Why can't you just leave them alone instead of trying to profess knowing better than them? Go ahead and start up your own Hoax Investigation Forum. Be proactive. Stop whingeing and moaning about a group of people who you do not share the same outlook with. You call other people "pathetic", but you are the only one here calling other people names and cursing and losing your marbles. Take a reality check."

Nice to see someone start an argument without even reading; has to be a MJDHI member.

First off, I don't preach. If you had even bothered to read any part of the blog before starting your rant I have constantly said two things: I don't know anymore than the average person with regards to the hoax and that everything that I write on this blog is merely my opinion. So, as for keeping an open mind basically you are arguing about a person having a differing opinion and telling them to keep an open mind. Epic fail.

I explore a lot of things that make no sense to me. But when I have explored it I rationalize it out also. I'm not going to just believe any crackpot idea because I am told to.

As for me being egotistical. I love that this keeps coming up. It is merely a blog; like millions on the Internet. If I was going to be egotistical about it I'd setup a website and forum and go the very media that ridiculed Michael Jackson (after all it was The Sun that coined the W**** J**** phrase) just to promote my ideas. But I think Souza already cornered the market on that idea.

As for the powerless comment. Whatever helps you sleep at night. I already know more than you about your own forum; the only difference is I'm not the scared one to point it out.

As I'm sure you have some reply to this, and you want to keep an open mind, I'll ask you a question for when you do.

TS supposedly authenticated Back; but who has authenticated TS? I mean an authentication from an unauthenticated source is worthless. It'd be like me selling a Michael Jackson signature and me authenticating that it is real. Without an authenticated source any authentication is worthless.

And while we are on about open minds go back look at all the numerical bullshit that TS has propogated the forum with. Then ask a math professor about "Numerical Theory Consistency". Don't just take my word for it; actually get off your ass and go ask someone. Any constant in a hypothetical theory that is changed invalidates the theory itself. But you'll disagree with that because it would mean that all the TS bullshit is wrong and dates calculated were done so in an inconsistent manner which in itself invalidates the theory.

Also, while you are looking at all the TS bullshit. Ask the forum admin about proof that TS is who they say they are. Watch how fast you are ridiculed for questioning that fact.

See, your open mind argument is falling on it's ass faster than a fat person on a deckchair.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:43 AM:

"Good point! Totally agree. Which is probably why he never PMs a reply and doesn't go to the chat room. Still, a reply would be nice! :("

You don't know if he is in private contact with people. Just because he doesn't reply to certain PM's doesn't mean he never does. He could easily tell them it has to stay a secret, people would keep it a secret, because he makes them think that he is Michael.

And if he actually never replies to PM's, there could be a simple reason for that ... the more you talk, the harder it gets to remember your own lies. So if you talk to a ton of people, you have to pay a lot of attention to the things you are saying and you will make a mistake sooner or later. Like he did with exhibit B, with his math formula and other things, but his followers chose to ignore those mistakes, because without the 2 "insiders" the forum would be dead.

Anonymous said...

Looks like people will have to agree to disagree. I don't think they were mistakes. I think people follow him because he's been proven to be legit many times.

I'm pretty sure admin can see PM traffic, so if this was going on, it would be stopped immediately. I've seen many fakes being banned over the years. Souza does not put up with that crap.

The forum would not be dead without TS and Front. There are other hoax forums that are alive and kicking and TS and Front are not there. Why? Because MJ is alive, that's why. Insiders or not, it doesn't change the fact that he's alive.

Just agree to disagree and move on with your lives. If you don't beLIEve, fine, but don't try to convert other people that know he's alive. Stop trolling. It's very obsessive. Disagree, move on, and leave people alone.

For Hitler said...

Yes, of course, Souza. You are the only one saying "start your own forum". If it's not you then your 3 members even started to use your exact words, no surprise here.
So, Hitler, what you basically say is people not only shouldn't question TS/Front on your forum, but they shouldnt do it anywhere else either. What are you afraid of? ;) Remember you are the one who accused Front to be the very owner of this blog. Now he is Michael Jackson according to TS. And some actually believed you. Hahahaha.
I'm sure he's not Doggie, but are you sure he's not someone banned screwing you?:)))))
Tick Tock Tick Tock

Anonymous said...

TS said Front is Michael Jackson? Where? I must have missed that! Are you sure you're not someone who's banned who's just screwed in the head? :)))))

El Chupacabre said...

I've been trying to wrap my head around this theory that Michael Jackson is still alive. While i agree that he had reason to fake his death (from what I’ve seen, he feared for his life, he believed someone was trying to kill him), i haven't found much concrete evidence that he would have or could have pulled it off. However, he definitely has the money to pull off such a stunt. The means and the motive is there but I’m not convinced on the execution. I do find it strange that they keep finding "previously recorded music" and i saw a video depicting the word 'alive' on his lips from his 2010 album to be intriguing.

Everything in the mainstream media is pointing to his death being legitimate. I know the mainstream media isn't as reliable as the general public trusts it to be, look no further than the official 9/11 story or all the allegations against Michael Jackson relating to the pedophilia case. The media kept all the facts of that case out of the papers and away from television programming. That case was so flawed and completely lacked any evidence to the point that I don't believe it ever should have gone to court. The parents never even filed a police report, they went straight to a lawyer. For starters, any parent that was legitimately worried about their child and had a legitimate claim would have filed a police report.

I believe this could have been a smear campaign used to try to assassinate Michael's character, orchestrated by the very people Michael was living in fear of. I don't believe Conrad Murray worked alone, someone gave him orders. Money corrupts people.

This is where I stand right now on the topic. Does anyone have any proof with legitimate sources that MJ may have faked his death? I keep an open mind about this but from what I’ve seen, there’s not enough there.

Anonymous said...

Very good point Chupacabre, the same idea aka "theory" keeps playing in my mind..
And who said Front is MJ? Who said that? Come ON, people!

Anonymous said...

Seems like not even TS followers pay too much attention to his redirects lol. We understand you, you too fall asleep, don't you?

Anonymous said...

And who said Front is MJ? Who said that? Come ON, people!


Souza said she "knows FRONT but she won't tell how she knows him because it's a long story".

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 6:28 PM: "And who said Front is MJ? Who said that? Come ON, people!"

Are we kids or what? o_O
The general opinion on that forum is that Front is MJ (read members' opinions like @MJsonmind and others if you don't believe me).
Now, since Front is reading their beliefs on the forum and he is NOT denying he is MJ, what's the message then?
You want him to tell you in your face he's MJ? That's not going to happen! He's giving them "whispers" and "hints" just enough to make them think in the direction he's heading. MANIPULATION. He won't tell them in PLAIN words "I'm MJ" cause in that right moment everything it's over and Souza will have to retreat herself with the tail between her legs.
Look what's going on now with the "investigation", they are not investigating anymore what happened to MJ on June 25th, they are waiting for the "insiders" TS/Front/Back to give them the direction.
And THIS, my friend, SPEAKS VOLUMES. They trust the "leader" cause they think he is MJ.

Anonymous said...

no ts never said front was mj, he didnt say he wasnt either ;) lol

Anonymous said...

Hey El Chupacabre , great reply :)
My thoughts are similar and actually I think
he had reasons and maybe even desire to fake it,
maybe even before 2009. BUT I'm not sure he was
able to or had enough time... or simply enough reliable, loyal people around! This world is way too unfair sadly. So, while he could, I'm not sure he did, as it's just too good to be true, looking at people who were around him at the time.

Admin said...

The whole TS said Front was MJ thing is wrong. And if I ever stated that I never meant to. As far as I remember all I was on about was TS validating Front when TS themselves has never been validated.

But at the same time I do see some of the forum members comments on the forum suggesting they believe that Front is MJ. Maybe those forum members should ask TS to clarify their position on the whole Front issue.

Anonymous said...

Wrong again. Souza never said that. Read the facts again and stop making up lies in your own words.

Anonymous said...

"They trust the "leader" cause they think he is MJ."

No, they trust the leader cause they know he is MJ from more than 2 years of investigation and thinking for themselves. Think about it. Front never once insinuated he is MJ, and he certainly doesn't write like MJ! Have you SEEN his posts??? They are so NOT MJ! LOL Why? Because he IS MJ and he's purposefully writing in a non-MJ style. Just like he used to as Back and all his other screen names. During the 2005 trial, it was discovered on his computer that MJ even used to go to porn sites, which I'm sure he had yet a different screen name for that LOL, and I'm sure no one even suspected who he was. Of course, on the hoax forum it's different because of direction and purpose. Michael, you are a certainly a man of many colors AND screen names, and I love all of you! LOL

"The whole TS said Front was MJ thing is wrong. And if I ever stated that I never meant to."

Doggie, no I think that comment was directed at you. It seems they were replying to that other anonymous person who said TS said Front was MJ, and he never said that, so that person is wrong.

Anonymous said...

True, Doggie, they better ask TS who HE/she is. But they wouldnt do so. They are afraid to "dissapoint" him. And like this such type of "investigation" is going nowhere. If it ever was. The whole TS/Front/Back thing is so wrong, jmo.

Anonymous said...

TS redirected a post where a member said Front is very likely to be MJ (it was the "time will prevail" handwriting note. Isn't this TS manipulation on members trying to make members believe that Front is indeed MJ? Soon after redirect all got this message (TS =MJ) and some even believed in it. And now you're saying TS never said this or that? Yes, he never SAID it straightforward. But he never says anything anyway. He always redirects messages and people get what they want. If it will happen he will return with "I said so" , if not and people ask for an explanation he says" I never said that". That's his style , nothing new here.
The same way he did with Front and his "MJ" note. But those who wouldn't admit , just act like TS does. No, i didnt say it but i implied it, but i didn't say it.. this kind of stuff. But why am I bothering anyway...You will see for yourself one day.

Anonymous said...

"TS redirected a post where a member said Front is very likely to be MJ (it was the "time will prevail" handwriting note. Isn't this TS manipulation on members trying to make members believe that Front is indeed MJ? But why am I bothering anyway...You will see for yourself one day."

It only seems like manipulation if you're of the opinion that Front is not MJ. Yes why do you bother? You will see for yourself one day. ;)

Anonymous said...

4.38 - I could have said it better! *standing ovation*

Anonymous said...

This has literally got to be the best post on a blog. I come here for a good laugh.

Anonymous said...

@Anon 2:57

You need to get your facts right. Here are Souza's exact words from the Assbackwards thread:

"I would tell you the reasons why I trust Front, you wouldn't understand it anyways, you are not intelligent enough, but because there is a story behind it that I do not want to share, plus it's a long one. I would have chosen to say nothing at all about Front, and then people would also questioned me..."

Sister Mary Souza not only insults the members of the forum in this statement but she is also lying. And for those of you who think well Souza would ban Front if she thought he wasn't authentic. Well, she ISN'T going to ban him because if it isn't her own creation, it certainly is someone she knows writing all that shit.
Don't forget, the forum is comprised of two sets of people. The "Insiders" which is comprised of Souza and her CAMP and the "outsiders" which is comprised of everyone else. Do you think Souza is running the forum all by herself? Wake up. She has an agenda or a game plan and to fill time she's delving into everything and anything that she can to keep her forum alive. I even wonder about that SlimshaddyK who threw Mickey Mouse into the mix. Pathetic!

Anonymous said...

IT'S SLANDER
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for CLUES
It's all BS, I don't buy that shit.
Souza can wipe her ass front to back with it.
To read it sanctifies it.
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the computer screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the computer screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable!



See, but everybody wants to beLIEve all about it.

Anonymous said...

truth * sorry for mistake

Anonymous said...

Souza posted 2 very long posts in the TIAI January 21 thread, I didn't get around to reading them yet and I probably won't, as it's just a lot of preaching. What I did notice though is that the posts look exactly like TS' posts. Coincidence? To quote the (cult) members on the forum: "I don't believe in coincidences."

Anonymous said...

4.38 - I meant I could NOT have said it better. LOL.
Post of the week!

Anonymous said...

"Front never once insinuated he is MJ, and he certainly doesn't write like MJ! Have you SEEN his posts??? They are so NOT MJ! LOL Why? Because he IS MJ and he's purposefully writing in a non-MJ style. "

oh wow.. that just opened my eyes..makes total sense.. NOT! lol

Anonymous said...

Crazy fucked up stalker bitch,
MJ is having a great time. Never gonna get it.
I'm lovin' it. ;)

Anonymous said...

Wow, you really are obsessed. You lost then, you lost now, and you will always lose. :))))

Anonymous said...

Why does Souza edit TS his posts?

Anonymous said...

Right. She said there's a story behind it. She didn't say she knows him. Read the facts again and stop twisting people's words.

Anonymous said...

I've all thought in the back of my mind that the whole operation is someone writing a University thesis on Hoax Theories and Human Behaviour/Reaction to High Profile Death. The forum is their primary source.

I mean...if I was studying this field, it would be a Frickin interesting topic to cover and the sheer volume of discussions collected on there...phew!

Anonymous said...

Hey guys, I'm curious how long it takes for fakers as Front or TS to create a nice story about this news.......( please watch the links it is hilarious)

I think it is going to be something along the lines "this is the beginning to prepare the world for MJ's BAM.....LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dA-WOkwjqH8#!

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/02/06/impersonator-arrested

"K"

Anonymous said...

she edits his posts because she can, just like she edits whatever other posts need editing, part of being admin

Anonymous said...

Funny how a certain someone keeps coming back to the forum and attacking everyone. Wow you must be very angry and very bored. How many times are you going to register under a different name and keep getting banned before you give up? Maybe you should find a hobby or a boyfriend. You must be terribly upset that people on the forum are seeing right through you. Aw, poor thing.

I am smiling. A LOT. :)

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "she edits his posts because she can, just like she edits whatever other posts need editing, part of being admin"

True to some extent. As an Admin you have the right to edit posts; but it doesn't mean you should.

Acceptable edits without user notification are: Profanity, Abuse of a member, illegal material, links to other forums (if it is not allowed) or an obvious double post.

Other than that all edits should be done by either the user who made the post; or if a user requests that an edit be made.

Just because an admin has the right to do something doesn't mean they should.

As an example all the Private Messages in a phpBB3 or SMF forum are stored in the MySQL database that is connected to the forum. And using phpMyAdmin or a simple SQL query you can read all Private Messages. The admin has the right to do that as they own the database; and in your eyes they have the right. But do they? Of course not - it is "private' for a reason.

So should an admin adjust timestamps, or edit posts, because they can? In the majority of cases the answer is no.

Admin said...

Anonymous said: "How many times are you going to register under a different name and keep getting banned before you give up?"

Not sure if this is directed at me. But just in case it is - the answer is that I have one account and have always had just the one account. Which so far has not been banned.

If it is not directed at me ignore the answer above. LOL.

Admin said...

With regards to the video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dA-WOkwjqH8#!

A good video. Well worth watching to prove it can, and has, been done.

Anonymous said...

You'll be back long before a year. You can't stay away. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Talking about editing again...
Is it normal that members cannot edit their own posts?

Anonymous said...

"Is it normal that members cannot edit their own posts?"

Yes, it's happened to me a few times, and some other members have said the same thing. I hate when that happens!

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